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<blockquote data-quote="ivkonst2017" data-source="post: 199818" data-attributes="member: 42532"><p>My whole idea for switching to enanthate was to reduce a lifetime of a lot of injections, now 2 injections per week feel awesome to me from a view point of pinning. And not that Im needlefobic, just when you start often doing deep IM at the same sites it starts to be painful at some point, and Ive heard of horrible bodybuilder stories like muscle swelling and so on. My experience with the way I felt the UGL cypionate makes me believe the shallow IM doesnt work well for me and also provided Im not very lean I'm not sure with 1/2 inch 29g I reach the muscle even in the shoulder(I do shoulders now with 27g 3/4 inch). </p><p>Also if I spread the injections in too many muscle groups and do it EOD I think I may get issues regarding that the different muscles have different absorbtion rate. When I was doing EOD sustanon before the enanthate I've been doing shoulders and ventriglute and I was starting to get pain in the ventriglutes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This was also strange, I can explain it only by the fact that the nodules have build up a lot by these 12 weeks. Similar thing happened to a friend of mine using this same product. Initially he felt great, total t around 1200-1300, then he started to feel bad - total t around 800-900 at the same dose! And his dose was 210mg per week! He switched 3 months ago to IM enanthate injecting 200mg split in two per week, he checked level at trough and it was 1500+ <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> Also I know in USA sustanon is not popular, but in Europe it is famous for building the nodules if you try to do it sub-q, I guess because of the peanut oil. Also what I have observed is like the leaner the person is, the better sub q method works. Now Im 25 percent body fat and for sure Im working out hard to correct that, but will not start over night and wanna optimize my protocol first to cut down calories, this will cause me additional stress.</p><p></p><p>Below I will post blood work on where I felt most awesome - around 2 months in treatment around 160mg per week split in EOD, 100ui HCG daily, total t is again too high - 1400+, but e2 is even higher than now - around 80 and I felt really awesome, well maybe I felt it was a bit too much, but generally I felt like a GOD - stellar mood, stellar energy, crazy libido and iron erections.</p><p></p><p>Vitamin В12 S 498 pmol/l 145 - 569 ECLIA</p><p>Total Testosterone S 50.26 nmol/l 9.90 - 27.80 ECLIA</p><p>Total Testosterone US Units S 1450 ng/dl 300 - 1500 ECLIA</p><p>SHBG S 41.77 nmol/l 18.30 - 54.10 ECLIA</p><p>Albumin S 43.3 g/l 35 - 52 PHOT</p><p>Free Testosterone Calculated C 34.4 ng/dl </p><p>Estradiol S 80.58 ng/L 7.63 - 42.60 ECLIA</p><p>DHEA-s S 8.93 µmol/l 4.34 - 12.20 ECLIA</p><p>TSH S 1.9 µIU/ml 0.27 - 4.20 ECLIA</p><p>Free Т4 (fT4) S 11.95 ng/l 9.30 - 17 ECLIA</p><p>Free T3 (fT3) S 2.94 ng/l 2 - 4.40 ECLIA</p><p>ТАТ (Tg Ат) S <10.00 IU/ml 0 - 115 ECLIA</p><p>A-TPO (MAT) S 5.5 IU/ml 0 - 34 ECLIA</p><p>Reverse T3 S 186 pg/ml 90 - 215 RIA</p><p>Prolactin S 278.2 mIU/L 84.80 - 318 ECLIA</p><p>Cortisol (morning) S 323.8 nmol/l 133 - 537 ECLIA</p><p>Insulin (fasting) S 3 mU/L Оптимални ст.: < 10.0 ECLIA</p><p>IGF I S 282.2 ng/ml 82 - 244 CLIA</p><p>Total Cholesterol (Chol.) S 3.8 mmol/l 3.5 - 5.20 PHOT</p><p>HDL-Cholesterol (HDL-C) S 1.31 mmol/l > 1.5 PHOT</p><p>LDL-Cholesterol (LDL-C) S 2.46 mmol/l 0 - 3.35 PHOT</p><p>Trigliceridi (Tg) S 0.57 mmol/l 0 - 1.70 PHOT</p><p>Glucose S 5.03 mmol/l 2.80 - 6.10 HK</p><p>Uric Acid Serum S 288 µmol/l 202.3 - 416.5 U-PAP</p><p>ASAT S 20 IU/l 0 - 40 IFCC</p><p>ALAT S 21 IU/l 0 - 41 IFCC</p><p>ГГТ S 11 IU/l 0 - 60 IFCC</p><p>Leukocytes EB 6.99 G/l 3.5 - 10.5 DC+LD</p><p>Erythrocytes EB 5.14 T/l 4.5 - 5.90 DC-det.</p><p>Hemoglobin EB 158 g/l 140 - 180 SLS</p><p>Hematocrit EB 0.46 l/l 0.40 - 0.53 calc</p><p>MCV EB 88.5 fl 80 - 96 Calc.</p><p>MCH EB 30.7 pg 28 - 33 Calc.</p><p>MCHC EB 347 g/l 300 - 360 Calc.</p><p>tromobociti EB 233 G/l 140 - 440 DC-det.</p><p>RDW-SD EB 42 fl 35.10 - 43.90 calc.</p><p>RDW-CV EB 12.9 % 11 - 14.40 calc.</p><p>PDW EB 13.1 fl 9 - 17 calc.</p><p>MPV EB 10.7 fl 9.40 - 12.40 calc.</p><p>P-LCR EB 31.2 % 13 - 43 calc.</p><p>PCT (trombokrit) EB 0.25 l/l 0.17 - 0.35 calc.</p><p>ДKK 5 DIFF - Sysmex XN 1000 EB </p><p>NEUT (ANC) EB 4.19 G/l 1.70 - 6.80 DC+LD</p><p>LYMPH EB 2 G/L 1 - 3.57 DC+LD</p><p>MONO EB 0.63 G/L 0.20 - 0.90 DC+LD</p><p>EO EB 0.14 G/L 0.04 - 0.54 DC+LD</p><p>BASO EB 0.03 G/L 0 - 0.08 DC+LD</p><p>NEUT % EB 60 % 50 - 73 DC+LD</p><p>LYMPH% EB 28.6 % 22 - 45 DC+LD</p><p>MONO % EB 9 % 5.30 - 12.20 DC+LD</p><p>EO % EB 2 % 0.80 - 7 DC+LD</p><p>BASO % EB 0.4 % 0.20 - 1.20 DC+LD</p><p>Total Cholesterol (Chol.) S 3.8 mmol/l 3.5 - 5.20 PHOT</p><p>HDL-Cholesterol (HDL-C) S 1.31 mmol/l > 1.5 PHOT</p><p>LDL-Cholesterol (LDL-C) S 2.46 mmol/l 0 - 3.35 PHOT</p><p>Trigliceridi (Tg) S 0.57 mmol/l 0 - 1.70 PHOT</p><p>Glucose S 5.03 mmol/l 2.80 - 6.10 HK</p><p>Uric Acid Serum S 288 µmol/l 202.3 - 416.5 U-PAP</p><p>ASAT S 20 IU/l 0 - 40 IFCC</p><p>ALAT S 21 IU/l 0 - 41 IFCC</p><p>GGT S 11 IU/l 0 - 60 IFCC</p><p>Na + S 142 mmol/l 136 - 145 ISE</p><p>K + S 4.39 mmol/l 3.5 - 5.10 ISE</p><p>Cl - S 105 mmol/l 98 - 107 ISE</p><p>Calcium S 2.36 mmol/l 2.15 - 2.5 CPC</p><p>Magnesium (Mg) S 0.75 mmol/l 0.66 - 1.07 PHOT</p><p>Bilirubin, total S 30.9 µmol/l 0 - 21 PHOT</p><p>Bilirubin, direct (конюгиран) S 8.6 µmol/l 0 - 8.5 PHOT</p><p>Zinc in Serum S 14.3 µmol/L 9 - 18 AAS</p><p>Copper, total in serum S 817 µg/L 560 - 1110 PHOT</p><p>Iron S 23.35 µmol/l 7.20 - 27.70 </p><p>Ferritin S 216.2 µg/L 30 - 400 ECLIA</p><p>CRP - quantative measurement S < 1.0 mg/l 0 - 5 TURB</p><p>HbA1с - гликиран хемоглобин EB TINIA</p><p>according to DCCT - 4.35 % 4,80 - 5,90 </p><p>according to IFCC - 24.04 mmol/mol 29 - 42 </p><p>eAG (изч. средна глюкоза) 4.33 mmol/l </p><p></p><p>Still I want to try a bit more with the enanthate, the 2 times per week injections are something that I really hope can make me feel optimal and avoid pinning myself too often for the rest of my life. How much would you advise me to lower the dose? I will test total t only again in Wednesday before injection, testing that is value is cheap and I want to be more precise in the decision for dosage lowering. I was planning to lower 10mg, but maybe I need to lower with 15 or 20? At the same time I will switch to the other enanthate, which is again pharmaceutical, the same ester just different oil.</p><p></p><p>By the way except my bilirubin there is one value that has been very high since before I started TRT, but on TRT and HCG seems higher: progesterone. Do you think that may be causing some of my issues?</p><p></p><p>Before TRT:</p><p>Progesteron S 0.2 ng/ml 0,05 - 0,15 ECLIA</p><p></p><p>3 months after starting TRT:</p><p>Progesteron S 0.17 ng/ml 0.05 - 0.15 ECLIA</p><p></p><p>Last December:</p><p>Progesteron S 0.31 ng/ml 0.05 - 0.15 ECLIA</p><p></p><p>Also my sodium is always on the bottom of the range, no matter how hard I try to salt my food. Only If I start to consistently put salt in my bottles of water it moves 1-2 points above.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ivkonst2017, post: 199818, member: 42532"] My whole idea for switching to enanthate was to reduce a lifetime of a lot of injections, now 2 injections per week feel awesome to me from a view point of pinning. And not that Im needlefobic, just when you start often doing deep IM at the same sites it starts to be painful at some point, and Ive heard of horrible bodybuilder stories like muscle swelling and so on. My experience with the way I felt the UGL cypionate makes me believe the shallow IM doesnt work well for me and also provided Im not very lean I'm not sure with 1/2 inch 29g I reach the muscle even in the shoulder(I do shoulders now with 27g 3/4 inch). Also if I spread the injections in too many muscle groups and do it EOD I think I may get issues regarding that the different muscles have different absorbtion rate. When I was doing EOD sustanon before the enanthate I've been doing shoulders and ventriglute and I was starting to get pain in the ventriglutes. This was also strange, I can explain it only by the fact that the nodules have build up a lot by these 12 weeks. Similar thing happened to a friend of mine using this same product. Initially he felt great, total t around 1200-1300, then he started to feel bad - total t around 800-900 at the same dose! And his dose was 210mg per week! He switched 3 months ago to IM enanthate injecting 200mg split in two per week, he checked level at trough and it was 1500+ :D Also I know in USA sustanon is not popular, but in Europe it is famous for building the nodules if you try to do it sub-q, I guess because of the peanut oil. Also what I have observed is like the leaner the person is, the better sub q method works. Now Im 25 percent body fat and for sure Im working out hard to correct that, but will not start over night and wanna optimize my protocol first to cut down calories, this will cause me additional stress. Below I will post blood work on where I felt most awesome - around 2 months in treatment around 160mg per week split in EOD, 100ui HCG daily, total t is again too high - 1400+, but e2 is even higher than now - around 80 and I felt really awesome, well maybe I felt it was a bit too much, but generally I felt like a GOD - stellar mood, stellar energy, crazy libido and iron erections. Vitamin В12 S 498 pmol/l 145 - 569 ECLIA Total Testosterone S 50.26 nmol/l 9.90 - 27.80 ECLIA Total Testosterone US Units S 1450 ng/dl 300 - 1500 ECLIA SHBG S 41.77 nmol/l 18.30 - 54.10 ECLIA Albumin S 43.3 g/l 35 - 52 PHOT Free Testosterone Calculated C 34.4 ng/dl Estradiol S 80.58 ng/L 7.63 - 42.60 ECLIA DHEA-s S 8.93 µmol/l 4.34 - 12.20 ECLIA TSH S 1.9 µIU/ml 0.27 - 4.20 ECLIA Free Т4 (fT4) S 11.95 ng/l 9.30 - 17 ECLIA Free T3 (fT3) S 2.94 ng/l 2 - 4.40 ECLIA ТАТ (Tg Ат) S <10.00 IU/ml 0 - 115 ECLIA A-TPO (MAT) S 5.5 IU/ml 0 - 34 ECLIA Reverse T3 S 186 pg/ml 90 - 215 RIA Prolactin S 278.2 mIU/L 84.80 - 318 ECLIA Cortisol (morning) S 323.8 nmol/l 133 - 537 ECLIA Insulin (fasting) S 3 mU/L Оптимални ст.: < 10.0 ECLIA IGF I S 282.2 ng/ml 82 - 244 CLIA Total Cholesterol (Chol.) S 3.8 mmol/l 3.5 - 5.20 PHOT HDL-Cholesterol (HDL-C) S 1.31 mmol/l > 1.5 PHOT LDL-Cholesterol (LDL-C) S 2.46 mmol/l 0 - 3.35 PHOT Trigliceridi (Tg) S 0.57 mmol/l 0 - 1.70 PHOT Glucose S 5.03 mmol/l 2.80 - 6.10 HK Uric Acid Serum S 288 µmol/l 202.3 - 416.5 U-PAP ASAT S 20 IU/l 0 - 40 IFCC ALAT S 21 IU/l 0 - 41 IFCC ГГТ S 11 IU/l 0 - 60 IFCC Leukocytes EB 6.99 G/l 3.5 - 10.5 DC+LD Erythrocytes EB 5.14 T/l 4.5 - 5.90 DC-det. Hemoglobin EB 158 g/l 140 - 180 SLS Hematocrit EB 0.46 l/l 0.40 - 0.53 calc MCV EB 88.5 fl 80 - 96 Calc. MCH EB 30.7 pg 28 - 33 Calc. MCHC EB 347 g/l 300 - 360 Calc. tromobociti EB 233 G/l 140 - 440 DC-det. RDW-SD EB 42 fl 35.10 - 43.90 calc. RDW-CV EB 12.9 % 11 - 14.40 calc. PDW EB 13.1 fl 9 - 17 calc. MPV EB 10.7 fl 9.40 - 12.40 calc. P-LCR EB 31.2 % 13 - 43 calc. PCT (trombokrit) EB 0.25 l/l 0.17 - 0.35 calc. ДKK 5 DIFF - Sysmex XN 1000 EB NEUT (ANC) EB 4.19 G/l 1.70 - 6.80 DC+LD LYMPH EB 2 G/L 1 - 3.57 DC+LD MONO EB 0.63 G/L 0.20 - 0.90 DC+LD EO EB 0.14 G/L 0.04 - 0.54 DC+LD BASO EB 0.03 G/L 0 - 0.08 DC+LD NEUT % EB 60 % 50 - 73 DC+LD LYMPH% EB 28.6 % 22 - 45 DC+LD MONO % EB 9 % 5.30 - 12.20 DC+LD EO % EB 2 % 0.80 - 7 DC+LD BASO % EB 0.4 % 0.20 - 1.20 DC+LD Total Cholesterol (Chol.) S 3.8 mmol/l 3.5 - 5.20 PHOT HDL-Cholesterol (HDL-C) S 1.31 mmol/l > 1.5 PHOT LDL-Cholesterol (LDL-C) S 2.46 mmol/l 0 - 3.35 PHOT Trigliceridi (Tg) S 0.57 mmol/l 0 - 1.70 PHOT Glucose S 5.03 mmol/l 2.80 - 6.10 HK Uric Acid Serum S 288 µmol/l 202.3 - 416.5 U-PAP ASAT S 20 IU/l 0 - 40 IFCC ALAT S 21 IU/l 0 - 41 IFCC GGT S 11 IU/l 0 - 60 IFCC Na + S 142 mmol/l 136 - 145 ISE K + S 4.39 mmol/l 3.5 - 5.10 ISE Cl - S 105 mmol/l 98 - 107 ISE Calcium S 2.36 mmol/l 2.15 - 2.5 CPC Magnesium (Mg) S 0.75 mmol/l 0.66 - 1.07 PHOT Bilirubin, total S 30.9 µmol/l 0 - 21 PHOT Bilirubin, direct (конюгиран) S 8.6 µmol/l 0 - 8.5 PHOT Zinc in Serum S 14.3 µmol/L 9 - 18 AAS Copper, total in serum S 817 µg/L 560 - 1110 PHOT Iron S 23.35 µmol/l 7.20 - 27.70 Ferritin S 216.2 µg/L 30 - 400 ECLIA CRP - quantative measurement S < 1.0 mg/l 0 - 5 TURB HbA1с - гликиран хемоглобин EB TINIA according to DCCT - 4.35 % 4,80 - 5,90 according to IFCC - 24.04 mmol/mol 29 - 42 eAG (изч. средна глюкоза) 4.33 mmol/l Still I want to try a bit more with the enanthate, the 2 times per week injections are something that I really hope can make me feel optimal and avoid pinning myself too often for the rest of my life. How much would you advise me to lower the dose? I will test total t only again in Wednesday before injection, testing that is value is cheap and I want to be more precise in the decision for dosage lowering. I was planning to lower 10mg, but maybe I need to lower with 15 or 20? At the same time I will switch to the other enanthate, which is again pharmaceutical, the same ester just different oil. By the way except my bilirubin there is one value that has been very high since before I started TRT, but on TRT and HCG seems higher: progesterone. Do you think that may be causing some of my issues? Before TRT: Progesteron S 0.2 ng/ml 0,05 - 0,15 ECLIA 3 months after starting TRT: Progesteron S 0.17 ng/ml 0.05 - 0.15 ECLIA Last December: Progesteron S 0.31 ng/ml 0.05 - 0.15 ECLIA Also my sodium is always on the bottom of the range, no matter how hard I try to salt my food. Only If I start to consistently put salt in my bottles of water it moves 1-2 points above. [/QUOTE]
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