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Penile fibrosis after long time without morning erections?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tn198989" data-source="post: 230567" data-attributes="member: 42625"><p>It does appear that your testosterone recovered. However, you did not do any labs at the end of this time period (that you are not sure about) when you had stopped the Clomid, to see where your testosterone was at that critical point?</p><p>This is very odd and in my opinion not good medicine! Why did the doctors not test you at this time to see what your hormone levels were before they put you onto TRT? They must have. <strong>They did. I always did bloodwork at least 6-8 weeks after every pct attempt and test levels fluctuated from 600 to 800. I meant that i dont know if after every isomer of clomid cleared my system, would the levels remain or drop.</strong></p><p></p><p>You mention you tried to recover your sexual function over 3 years, but most of this time was spent on SERMS! So in effect you did not give your body a real chance to fix itself.</p><p></p><p><strong>i took multiple breaks from serms and if it takes more than 4-5 months for the function to restore on its own (doubtful) then its not worth it. Most people recover at the end of pct or a month later at most. Besides if bloodwork shows everything on point whats left to be restored. Doesnt make sense</strong></p><p></p><p>Sexual function is very complex. AAS in many ways throws this system into disarray. The way in which our neurotransmitters work and how our hormones function within our cells, specifically the receptors for all of these chemical messengers, most likely become either desensitised or down regulated such that time and patience is required for our body to readjust and create a more normal receptivity for these messengers on a cellular level. I think the more drugs we put into our body the more it complicates this process. Sometimes it just needs to be left alone to finish this recovery.</p><p></p><p><strong>I agree that the more dugs the more problems BUT downregulation of androgen receptor isnt proved that it happens whatsoever. Brosciense. And if it did happen it would affect more aspects than just sexual function. My gains, muscularity, vascularity, hair growth are all inceased.</strong></p><p></p><p>You are also trying to warrant the use of TRT by the fact that it has apparently ameliorated a form of depression you have, <strong>possible insulin resistance</strong> and stopped you from abusing alcohol! Depression needs to be managed as with insulin resistance with the appropriate medical care and lifestyle changes and diet, not with TRT when your hormones are at healthy levels. Abstaining from alcohol also requires will power and sometimes professional help.</p><p></p><p><strong>Possible insulin resistanse because of a couple of bloodworks that showed blood sugar slightly above 100? LOL. The appropriate medical care for my condition are high doses of ssri according to multiple psychiatrists. But i try to find alternatives. I am already 2 years clean from alcohol so i dont think i need professional help for that at the moment.</strong></p><p></p><p>At 125mg per week your trough level was 650, I wonder what your peak was in this case? Even your trough here is more than your natural morning peak level of 500 pre AAS use.</p><p></p><p><strong>My trough doesnt have big difference from my peak cause i inject M/W/F</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>i also inject hcg so the upstream hormones are not the issue.</strong></p><p></p><p>I am mentioning TRT with regard to your erectile dysfunction because the two are related to each other, with regard to what you have been doing in the past and what you are doing now. If you have <strong>damaged your erectile tissues</strong> in your penis with the cycles of AAS and the subsequent long courses of Clomid that you took over a three year period, using TRT will NOT fix this. There is more chance that you penis will work properly if all your natural hormones are in place, such as LH, FSH, GNRH, Testosterone, Estrogen, DHT etc. Good erectile and sexual function depends on the delicate balance of all our hormones to be in order. This is why I keep saying it is ALWAYS better for young men to have their natural hormones working for sexual function to work at its best, as we just cannot replicate this with TRT.</p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>I have already done a doppler ultrasound that came back normal and again no proof that high doses of T damages erectile tissue. </strong></p><p></p><p>IMO, your erectile function was never given an adequate chance to recover after all the “hormone manipulation” caused firstly by AAS use and then the continued onslaught of SERM therapy and then another shut down caused by TRT, followed by further excessive T use.</p><p></p><p><strong>I disagree. first of all if it takes 2 years to recover (which apparently doesnt happen to most people) whats the point. How could i follow that advice without any evidence that it could take that long but then recover.</strong></p><p></p><p>Taking supra-physiologic doses of testosterone, will not cure ED, it just makes it worse. Taking physiologic doses of T when your natural T is normal will also not cure ED.</p><p></p><p><strong>Ok but if you take what your body would produce and take hcg to keep upstream hormones in check what could be the issue? I mean we have entered the realm of guessing and brosciense.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Thank you for trying to help but lets stick to what has been proven</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tn198989, post: 230567, member: 42625"] It does appear that your testosterone recovered. However, you did not do any labs at the end of this time period (that you are not sure about) when you had stopped the Clomid, to see where your testosterone was at that critical point? This is very odd and in my opinion not good medicine! Why did the doctors not test you at this time to see what your hormone levels were before they put you onto TRT? They must have. [B]They did. I always did bloodwork at least 6-8 weeks after every pct attempt and test levels fluctuated from 600 to 800. I meant that i dont know if after every isomer of clomid cleared my system, would the levels remain or drop.[/B] You mention you tried to recover your sexual function over 3 years, but most of this time was spent on SERMS! So in effect you did not give your body a real chance to fix itself. [B]i took multiple breaks from serms and if it takes more than 4-5 months for the function to restore on its own (doubtful) then its not worth it. Most people recover at the end of pct or a month later at most. Besides if bloodwork shows everything on point whats left to be restored. Doesnt make sense[/B] Sexual function is very complex. AAS in many ways throws this system into disarray. The way in which our neurotransmitters work and how our hormones function within our cells, specifically the receptors for all of these chemical messengers, most likely become either desensitised or down regulated such that time and patience is required for our body to readjust and create a more normal receptivity for these messengers on a cellular level. I think the more drugs we put into our body the more it complicates this process. Sometimes it just needs to be left alone to finish this recovery. [B]I agree that the more dugs the more problems BUT downregulation of androgen receptor isnt proved that it happens whatsoever. Brosciense. And if it did happen it would affect more aspects than just sexual function. My gains, muscularity, vascularity, hair growth are all inceased.[/B] You are also trying to warrant the use of TRT by the fact that it has apparently ameliorated a form of depression you have, [B]possible insulin resistance[/B] and stopped you from abusing alcohol! Depression needs to be managed as with insulin resistance with the appropriate medical care and lifestyle changes and diet, not with TRT when your hormones are at healthy levels. Abstaining from alcohol also requires will power and sometimes professional help. [B]Possible insulin resistanse because of a couple of bloodworks that showed blood sugar slightly above 100? LOL. The appropriate medical care for my condition are high doses of ssri according to multiple psychiatrists. But i try to find alternatives. I am already 2 years clean from alcohol so i dont think i need professional help for that at the moment.[/B] At 125mg per week your trough level was 650, I wonder what your peak was in this case? Even your trough here is more than your natural morning peak level of 500 pre AAS use. [B]My trough doesnt have big difference from my peak cause i inject M/W/F i also inject hcg so the upstream hormones are not the issue.[/B] I am mentioning TRT with regard to your erectile dysfunction because the two are related to each other, with regard to what you have been doing in the past and what you are doing now. If you have [B]damaged your erectile tissues[/B] in your penis with the cycles of AAS and the subsequent long courses of Clomid that you took over a three year period, using TRT will NOT fix this. There is more chance that you penis will work properly if all your natural hormones are in place, such as LH, FSH, GNRH, Testosterone, Estrogen, DHT etc. Good erectile and sexual function depends on the delicate balance of all our hormones to be in order. This is why I keep saying it is ALWAYS better for young men to have their natural hormones working for sexual function to work at its best, as we just cannot replicate this with TRT. [B] I have already done a doppler ultrasound that came back normal and again no proof that high doses of T damages erectile tissue. [/B] IMO, your erectile function was never given an adequate chance to recover after all the “hormone manipulation” caused firstly by AAS use and then the continued onslaught of SERM therapy and then another shut down caused by TRT, followed by further excessive T use. [B]I disagree. first of all if it takes 2 years to recover (which apparently doesnt happen to most people) whats the point. How could i follow that advice without any evidence that it could take that long but then recover.[/B] Taking supra-physiologic doses of testosterone, will not cure ED, it just makes it worse. Taking physiologic doses of T when your natural T is normal will also not cure ED. [B]Ok but if you take what your body would produce and take hcg to keep upstream hormones in check what could be the issue? I mean we have entered the realm of guessing and brosciense. Thank you for trying to help but lets stick to what has been proven[/B] [/QUOTE]
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