Labs: what would cause my E2 to be so low?

[JCUSN]

I’ve come off of TRT, and been off since February.

Total t: 534 ng/dl
Free t: 62.5 pg/ml
Estradiol: less than 15

Does my free T look bad? My whole reason for starting TRT years ago was because of my low free t and very high SHBG.

But my estradiol is very low. I have very very low libido. No morning wood ever. Dick feels “shriveled,” but no problem getting hard.

Something else of note, I have very very low sperm count, and very low semen volume too (less than 1.5mL).

How can I bring up my estradiol?

 

[savefoxes]

Your e2 is low because of low free T

 

[Vince]

I’ve come off of TRT, and been off since February.

Total t: 534 ng/dl
Free t: 62.5 pg/ml
Estradiol: less than 15

Does my free T look bad? My whole reason for starting TRT years ago was because of my low free t and very high SHBG.

But my estradiol is very low. I have very very low libido. No morning wood ever. Dick feels “shriveled,” but no problem getting hard.

Something else of note, I have very very low sperm count, and very low semen volume too (less than 1.5mL).

How can I bring up my estradiol?

Yes, I agree with savefoxes. E2 follows T.

 

[JCUSN]

Your e2 is low because of low free T

So then my Free T is actually too high? I didn't even know that could be a problem lol. Or is it too low?

Is my very low E2 likely the reason I have such low libido and even low overall energy?

 

[savefoxes]

So then my Free T is actually too high? I didn't even know that could be a problem lol. Or is it too low?

Is my very low E2 likely the reason I have such low libido and even low overall energy?

Your free T is too low. More free T will raise your e2. The reason you have low libido is probably the free T of a 80 year old man

 

[Vince]

So then my Free T is actually too high? I didn't even know that could be a problem lol. Or is it too low?

Is my very low E2 likely the reason I have such low libido and even low overall energy?

The higher your testosterone level. The higher your estrogen levels will be. Men convert testosterone into estrogen and if the testosterone is low, normally the estrogen will also be low. When I had testosterone levels like you, my estrogen level was only seven.

 

[JCUSN]

Your free T is too low. More free T will raise your e2. The reason you have low libido is probably the free T of a 80 year old man

Oh...well shit. It says on the lab that the range is 35 - 155 pg/mL. It showed me as "normal." Do I not use that range? Is my free T really that low? That's awful if so.

 

[JCUSN]

The higher your testosterone level. The higher your estrogen levels will be. Men convert testosterone into estrogen and if the testosterone is low, normally the estrogen will also be low. When I had testosterone levels like you, my estrogen level was only seven.

Did you have these same kind of symptoms when you had low e2 also? Did TRT bring you back and make you feel better?

 

[Vince]

Did you have these same kind of symptoms when you had low e2 also? Did TRT bring you back and make you feel better?

I've never felt anything from E2. But when I increase my testosterone my brain fog went away and my energy increased. The main issue I was having was Brain fog. Once I started trt it never came back.

I'll show you my latest labs. My E2 is still on the low side.

Vince Shares his Daily Testosterone plus DHEA and Pregnenolone Results

My protocol, same as last labs. 16 mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500 iu of hcg twice weekly and no AI. Pregnenolone 10 mg and 25 mg of DHEA. My last injection before labs, about 28 hr.s. Testosterone, Total, LC/MS, 1035.9 High ng/dL 264.0-916.0 Testosterone, Free 33.77...

www.excelmale.com

 

[savefoxes]

Oh...well shit. It says on the lab that the range is 35 - 155 pg/mL. It showed me as "normal." Do I not use that range? Is my free T really that low? That's awful if so.

If you have very high SHBG and 500 TT there's no way your free T is normal

 

[JCUSN]

If you have very high SHBG and 500 TT there's no way your free T is normal

Wouldn’t the Free T lab result be correct though?

I didn’t have SHBG measured this time. But when I normally have it done, it’s between 45-55. Been as high as 60 before.

 

[JCUSN]

I've never felt anything from E2. But when I increase my testosterone my brain fog went away and my energy increased. The main issue I was having was Brain fog. Once I started trt it never came back.

I'll show you my latest labs. My E2 is still on the low side.

Vince Shares his Daily Testosterone plus DHEA and Pregnenolone Results

My protocol, same as last labs. 16 mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500 iu of hcg twice weekly and no AI. Pregnenolone 10 mg and 25 mg of DHEA. My last injection before labs, about 28 hr.s. Testosterone, Total, LC/MS, 1035.9 High ng/dL 264.0-916.0 Testosterone, Free 33.77...

www.excelmale.com

Wow! Your free t is MUCH higher than mine.

My lab gave me the result in pg/mL, but when I convert to ng/dL mine is only 6.25 and yours is 33!

Why would my lab show my free T result as “normal?”

 

[Systemlord]

It says on the lab that the range is 35 - 155 pg/mL. It showed me as "normal."

Why would my lab show my free T result as “normal?”

You've been a member since 2017, you should by now that normal doesn't mean healthy.

You can still be normal and in a disease state.

Is my free T really that low?

Unfortunately, no consensus has been reached regarding the lower TT threshold defining TD, and there are no generally accepted lower limits of normal TT. This lack of consensus follows from the fact that no studies have shown a clear threshold for TT or free T that distinguishes men who will respond to treatment from those who will not.

 

[savefoxes]

Wouldn’t the Free T lab result be correct though?

I didn’t have SHBG measured this time. But when I normally have it done, it’s between 45-55. Been as high as 60 before.

Well your free T is super low on your lab. Are you sure that range is not for women?

 

[JCUSN]

Well your free T is super low on your lab. Are you sure that range is not for women?

I'm not sure...the lab knows I am a male. I don't know why they'd list the range for women instead of men. Is 62.5 for men super low?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

I’ve come off of TRT, and been off since February.

Total t: 534 ng/dl
Free t: 62.5 pg/ml
Estradiol: less than 15

What supplements and medications are you taking?

By the way, great recovery of your total T since Feb. How long were you on TRT?

 

[Systemlord]

Your free T is too low.

Well your free T is super low on your lab.

Is 62.5 for men super low?

This was already covered in two prior posts.

 

[JCUSN]

This was already covered in two prior posts.

Yes, and I don’t find any science that says 62.5 is considered low free T.

 

[JCUSN]

What supplements and medications are you taking?

By the way, great recovery of your total T since Feb. How long were you on TRT?

Taking Boron 3mg a day, Maca, CoQ10, magnesium citrate, fish oil, vitamin D 5000iu, and just a multivitamin gummy.

I also take Nexium daily, but that’s it as far as pharmaceuticals.

I recovered my levels using Torem at 30mg a day, but I only took that for 30 days after stopping my injections. I was on TRT for about 2 years.

 

[Systemlord]

Yes, and I don’t find any science that says 62.5 is considered low free T.

Why do you need science to tell you that your Free T levels are low?

Did you feel an improvement on TRT?

If the answer is yes, then that means you benefited because your levels were low and you need to tweak your TRT protocol.