Injection/application frequency vs AR receptors

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BFAgerli

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I remember someone posting on a different forum (can’t find the link now) of increased E2 levels on daily dosing vs. breaking up the same dose into 2-3x/week with T Enanthate. Aromatase activity seems to be higher when the peak and trough in T is eliminated from high-frequency dosing. I also see that SHBG is lower when injection frequency is lower, which is a good thing.

Now, the peaks and troughs of e.g. a twice a week or e5d (every half-life of enanthate) would also allow receptors some time off and thus upregulate - which is how all receptors in the body work.

If you constantly bombard a hormone or neurotransmitter receptor with an agonist, they will downregulate to compensate. Same thing with e.g. stimulants, if you keep chronically high levels they will stop working (clenbuterol vs ephedrine is a good example, the former having a 24hr half-life).

Could it be that some variation in levels is better since it imitates physiological pulsatility and maintains androgen receptor sensitivity better?

I have found that taking 100mg of Testogel (10% absorption) 2 days in a row with a 50mg subQ TE injection on the first day, followed by 3 days off (so injecting e5d) seems to make me both retain less water and have better libido vs. daily Testogel or even daily subQ at equivalent dosages - so fluctuating levels subjectively feel better than steady levels and my E2 levels are perfect now (I used to need Aromasin to manage it before).

I see some claiming to subjectively feel better on daily or eod dosing, and since I can’t find any studies comparing e.g. weekly injection frequency vs. daily or every-other-day injections it would be very interesting to get a discussion going on both the theoretical aspect of it as well as personal experiences and blood tests (T:E2 ratios, SHBG etc).
 
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to variation in levels there's an up and down even on a daily injection which I don't advocate and is really only appropriate in the tough(er) cases, saying it's steady levels or steady state is quite a minomer so I would disagree with a constant bombarment of an agonist as you stated it.
Though the important thing in all those paragraphs is that you found a method that youre happy with so that's the part that matters. Use of a topical and injectable as a hybrid protocol is interesting to me as something I've considered.
But SHBG drives everything in my opinion, negating the half-life of the ester for those that don't fit in to a narrow space of "normal" SHBG levels, which "normal" is extremely debatable.
 

BFAgerli

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Obviously there will be some peak and trough even with daily injections, so I guess what I’m getting at is whether a higher peak and deeper trough would be more or less beneficial from a receptor sensitivity (and E2+SHBG) standpoint - where both the observed plasma levels from studies and blood tests from various members of this board seems to support my theory.

Testogel release pattern is pretty stable due to its topical absorption, so different from injecting esters - which is why I arrived at the schedule I am currently experimenting with :)
 

Vince

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My protocol is 16 mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500 iu of HCG twice a week, 25 mg of DHEA, 10mg of pregnenolonea and no AI.
Plus I no longer have to donate blood.

Testosterone serum 1117 ng/dL range 264 - 916
Free T 30.3 pg/mL range 6.6 - 18.1
DHEA - Sulfate 347.3 range 48.9 - 344.2
Estradiol, Sensitive 29.5 range 8.0 - 35.0
SHBG 48.8 range 19.3 - 76.4
HCT 47.9 range 37.5 - 51.0
 
I really don't recall much of any discussion on receptor up/down regulating on this forum, any way. Or much at all either. It's interesting though. But having a higher peak/deeper trough I wound't want the deeper trough, getting to a point perhaps of returning to a low T state would be contradictory to treatment in the first place. IMHO.
 

BFAgerli

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My protocol is 16 mg of testosterone cypionate daily, 500 iu of HCG twice a week, 25 mg of DHEA, 10mg of pregnenolonea and no AI.
Plus I no longer have to donate blood.

Testosterone serum 1117 ng/dL range 264 - 916
Free T 30.3 pg/mL range 6.6 - 18.1
DHEA - Sulfate 347.3 range 48.9 - 344.2
Estradiol, Sensitive 29.5 range 8.0 - 35.0
SHBG 48.8 range 19.3 - 76.4
HCT 47.9 range 37.5 - 51.0

Those are some impressive numbers. How do you feel subjectively? Physical changes?
 

Vince

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For me the best part of trt, elimination of brain fog. It was something I suffered with for many years, now it's completely gone.
 

Vince

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My first protocol was 70 mg of testosterone cypionate and 500 IU of HCG twice a week. I felt great on that protocol. The main reason I went to daily injections was to hopefully keep my HCT in a good range. Since I've gone to daily injections, almost 2 years now, I haven't had to donate blood. I don't know why my HCT stabilized, it may have been because I was on trt for 2 years or maybe a combination of daily and long-term trt.

In total I been on testosterone for 4 years.
 
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