HGH with TRT and HCG

#41
I liked this thread. Sokaiya, has provided a lot of great information. At a dosage schedule of 3iu, you should be able to achieve IGF-1 within a range of 400-450ng/ml, possibly higher.

If you haven’t taken growth hormone before, I would advice you start low and work your way up in terms of dosage. Start with 1iu and increase the dose by .5iu every week. Your chemistry is different than others and some can experience some dangerous side effects such as cortisol suppression.

Please feel free to ask me any questions, I’m happy to help. Growth hormone is absolutely wonderful and with your labs being below range, I think you’re going to feel great assuming other hormones cooperate during treatment.
Thank you for the info, I'll follow your advice. I'll post back after I start and have done so for a bit. Should I continue to take the Ibutamoren as well?
 
#42
Thank you for the info, I'll follow your advice. I'll post back after I start and have done so for a bit. Should I continue to take the Ibutamoren as well?
I have a bias on Ibutamoren and I'm not a fan of it because it doesn't raise growth hormone to levels of which I'm interested in, it does not burn body fat and causes a degree of insulin resistance.

Some physicians will use secretagogues alongside growth hormone to stimulate your pituitary gland to produce it's own growth hormone. If you were to use a secretagogue, I first would suggest ipamorelin and/or tesamorelin and second, if physicians are to use secretagogue's the regime would be a secretagogue before bed, followed by your growth hormone injection in the morning.

I have not had any success with secretagogue's and I do not feel they are necessary in my situation, I take growth hormone twice daily. Judging from your lab work, I don't think you would experience any added benefit by keeping a secretagogue in your regimen.
 
#43
Thank you. I was highly disappointed in the results of the ibutamoren from Empower. While it doubled my IGF1, Even Defy said they wanted my IGF1 to be at 200 and above yet at 130/mo ibutamoren is only getting me to 150ish. Hence why I am buying HGH and going that route.
 
#44
Thank you. I was highly disappointed in the results of the ibutamoren from Empower. While it doubled my IGF1, Even Defy said they wanted my IGF1 to be at 200 and above yet at 130/mo ibutamoren is only getting me to 150ish. Hence why I am buying HGH and going that route.

It sounds like you’re on the right track. Physicians in the field would agree as well.
 
#45
I'm a big believer that Empower Pharmacy compounds are not to the potent levels that they say. I've had both ibutamoren and Cytomel compounded there and my results on both are weak. My thyroid levels weren't affected much on 75mcg of their compounded formula, yet once I went to regular cytomel from my other doctor my thryoid levels shot way up. And as I stated with the Ibutamoren above, my levels never got to where Defy suggested they should be based on the the amount. I haven't tried another brand of ibutamoren but I suspect it's not to the potency they say.

Looking forward to HGH and seeing how things go.
 
#46
That's interesting to hear. I've never used them myself and I've always heard the greatest reputation so if that's true, it's very unfortunate to hear.

To hear you've been on Empower's compounded t3 followed by Cytomel at the same dosage and it still showed different results is concerning. That may be due to the brand having higher quality and as a result higher bioavailability, but who knows. Ibutamoren has a high bioavailability, regardless of where it comes from. It would be concerning if they were under-dosing your prescription. An explanation could be that your pituitary isn't receptive to secretagogue's which is quite common, but again, who knows, there are many variables.
 
#47
Update. Received my GH and started injecting 1iu in the morning this past week. Going to bump it up this week. And then get some IGF-1 labs done probably beginning of Jan to see where I sit. I bought some russian brand GH and then a Chinese brand. I bought a somatropin roidtest kit to test if the Chinese brand is real. It doesn't test for concentration (I got 10, 10iu viles so not sure each vile actually contains 10ius) but it did test positive for GH which is good because many Chinese brands can be fake. Been doing a lot of digging on GH and suppliers and such and there are actually quite a few out there that have a lot of positive feed back with users posting bloods and also posting actual testing of the GH so you know it's real. And the cost is WAY cheaper than the Ibutamoren I have been buying from empower. I'm finding 100iu's consistently at around 170 dollars.
 
#48
Update. Received my GH and started injecting 1iu in the morning this past week. Going to bump it up this week. And then get some IGF-1 labs done probably beginning of Jan to see where I sit. I bought some russian brand GH and then a Chinese brand. I bought a somatropin roidtest kit to test if the Chinese brand is real. It doesn't test for concentration (I got 10, 10iu viles so not sure each vile actually contains 10ius) but it did test positive for GH which is good because many Chinese brands can be fake. Been doing a lot of digging on GH and suppliers and such and there are actually quite a few out there that have a lot of positive feed back with users posting bloods and also posting actual testing of the GH so you know it's real. And the cost is WAY cheaper than the Ibutamoren I have been buying from empower. I'm finding 100iu's consistently at around 170 dollars.
That's great to hear of your start on growth hormone! Caution should be exercised with the use of generic growth hormone. The molecular weight of generic effects it's efficiency of intracellular activity and may require a dose of double. Please be sure your generic growth hormone is at least 191aa bio-identical and not 192aa.
 
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#49
That's great to hear of your start on growth hormone! Caution should be exercised with the use of genetic growth hormone. The molecular weight of genetic effects it's efficiency of intracellular activity and may require a dose of double. Please be sure your genetic growth hormone is at least 191aa bio-identical and not 192aa.
Thanks. The Chinese brand states it's 191 but without a lab to test that I have no idea.
 
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