Experience with penile phoenix acoustic shockwave device at home

[Bentiger07]

Heard a few people talk about it (including few on these forums), so I bought the GetMyPhoenix (formerly GetMyRocket) phoenix acoustic device for home use to do shockwave therapy, because of it's low cost compared to shockwave sessions in a clinic, and because of the 30 day return policy. I assume they'll honor that policy but if not, I purchased it with a credit card anyways so I can try disputing if needed.

I've tried 4 sessions already with this acoustic shockwave device. So far, no good results. However, many other big names seem to give it great reviews (one even close to the TRT community). Of course, they could just be looking for commission from sales, but I figured I'd at least try it with good return policy, just incase it really is something.

I'll reserve my review/judgement until I've done 12 sessions within the 30 day return policy window. It is suggested in some studies that one should do 6-12 treatments first.

I'm wondering if anyone else had experiences with at home shockwave devices, and how was it?

 

[Nelson Vergel]

You are probably spamming my forum, but I will allow this post.

 

[Bentiger07]

Nelson, if you want me to edit/remove my post/sig, or whatever it was that initially bothered you let me know. Your rules so I’m open to it.

I understand how this post might sound like I'm promoting the device. However, I’m really wondering if I’m wasting couple weeks using the phoenix shockwave device and should just jump to an implant. Im not promoting it and actually probably shared what's considered a somewhat negative-neutral review so far (but giving it a chance to see if it gets better). If you search your forum, few people asked about it under the word "rocket" and "shockwave". I guess ill just give it the full 4 weeks they suggest to try it.

 

[Bentiger07]

I couldnt find all examples of others talking about it like I saw before, but I did find these 2 if it helps you:

Treatments for Men who Fail to Benefit from ED Medications

This is the best review I have seen on the subject. "Abstract Phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors (PDE5-i) have become first-line therapy for the treatment of erectile dysfunction. Most initial prescriptions for PDE5-i are by primary care practitioners. Urologists must now routinely manage the...

www.excelmale.com

The good, bad, and the ugly of regenerative therapies for erectile dysfunction

Abstract: Erectile dysfunction (ED) is a common condition which reduces quality of life of both patients and their partners, and is a significant health care expense every year. Although phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors are the current first-line treatment for men with ED, they are limited by...

www.excelmale.com

Also came highly recommended by someone popular in the TRT field, which is a big reason I tried it. Don't want to get into mentioning names. Maybe it's just not working well for me, but it does for others. I'm looking to hear from others.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

I assume that you have tried ED meds and Trimix, right?

 

[mqsymth]

Hey Nelson, I'd like to see how Bentiger07 does after 12 treatments so please do not delete his post. I tried 6 sessions of professional Gainswave Treatment 3 years back and it did nothing for me. They wanted me to try another 6 but I said no.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

Hey Nelson, I'd like to see how Bentiger07 does after 12 treatments so please do not delete his post. I tried 16 sessions of professional Gainswave Treatment 3 years back and it did nothing for me.

wow. 16?!

I think it is an expensive rip off.

Gainswave For ED

Gainswave is becoming a popular treatment for ED, but is it justified? The data suggests it's a valuable treatment for a very specific group of men, and not a first treatment of choice for most others. Those men who have micro vascular occlusion by fibrosis, complications of diabetes, and...

www.excelmale.com

Low-intensity shockwave therapy for erectile dysfunction in kidney transplant recipients.

Low-intensity shockwave therapy for erectile dysfunction in kidney transplant recipients. A prospective, randomized, double blinded, sham-controlled study with evaluation by penile Doppler ultrasonography Kleiton G. R. Yamaçake 1 ● Felipe Carneiro 2 ● Jose Cury 1 ● Rodolfo Lourenço 1 ● Peter...

www.excelmale.com

Treatments for Men who Fail to Benefit from ED Medications

This is the best review I have seen on the subject. "Abstract Phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors (PDE5-i) have become first-line therapy for the treatment of erectile dysfunction. Most initial prescriptions for PDE5-i are by primary care practitioners. Urologists must now routinely manage the...

www.excelmale.com

 

[Jason Sypolt]

A machine equivalent to this in a clinical setting has a cost that starts at many, many times more than that device and a minimum of 6-8 sessions would be typically recommended. Orders of magnitude more in cost. So there is your baseline. It may be able to help with a very basic case, but you’re talking about an at-home version of a certified medical device.The equivalent of a testosterone booster on the shelf at Walmart. How good is that really going to be?

Not faulting you for trying it. I don’t want you to get ripped off. I know who you are referring to and it’s the money.

Read the terms about sending it back. There are probably hoops to jump through that will suck up your time and wear you down or run out the clock. No one profits off of a $700 device that doesn’t work if retuning it is so easy.

 

[Vince]

I would also like to see it what results Bentiger gets. There’s also a chance of placebo affect. But in any case it would be nice to see results he gets or anyone else. One person doesn’t make a complete study.

 

[Mountain Man]

Heard a few people talk about it (including few on these forums), so I bought the GetMyPhoenix (formerly GetMyRocket) phoenix acoustic device for home use to do shockwave therapy, because of it's low cost compared to shockwave sessions in a clinic, and because of the 30 day return policy. I assume they'll honor that policy but if not, I purchased it with a credit card anyways so I can try disputing if needed.

I've tried 4 sessions already with this acoustic shockwave device. So far, no good results. However, many other big names seem to give it great reviews (one even close to the TRT community). Of course, they could just be looking for commission from sales, but I figured I'd at least try it with good return policy, just incase it really is something.

I'll reserve my review/judgement until I've done 12 sessions within the 30 day return policy window. It is suggested in some studies that one should do 6-12 treatments first.

I'm wondering if anyone else had experiences with at home shockwave devices, and how was it?

I thought of getting one to after Jay Cambell’s podcast on it. I assume he’s the guy “close to the TRT community” of which you speak. I looked into it and even at the discounted price it seemed iffy. I decided to wait and am glad I did. Campbell used to be the go to guy on things like this, but for the past year has been full of hyperbole and conspiracy theories, even criticizing members of this forum. A lot more research needs to take place with actual clinical trials before These are truly legit. The promotion of these say that you still may need Viagra anyway, so that tells you something right there.

 

[KGB197]

Don't risk buying the Rocket/Phoenix. Very shady and unprofessional company. There are a lot of people that pre-purchased the device last year and they still haven't recieved the product. Supposedely they are fulfilling newer orders at a much higher price now though. But people who pre-ordered were promised to be fulfilled first. When anyone questions them about their practice and why they still haven't received their product they are kicked out of the private FaceBook group and get a repetitive message from "customer care" to "just be patient".

 

[Joe Sixpack]

A machine equivalent to this in a clinical setting has a cost that starts at many, many times more than that device and a minimum of 6-8 sessions would be typically recommended. Orders of magnitude more in cost. So there is your baseline. It may be able to help with a very basic case, but you’re talking about an at-home version of a certified medical device.The equivalent of a testosterone booster on the shelf at Walmart. How good is that really going to be?

Do you believe the Phoenix is underpowered compared to what they use in the clinic?

 

[Jason Sypolt]

Do you believe the Phoenix is underpowered compared to what they use in the clinic?

I haven’t seen anywhere that the device’s specifications are listed so that anyone can make a comparison. Any device in a clinical setting clearly spells this out in product information and on public web sites. A legitimate product has nothing to hide and the details are important because the studies showing efficacy used specific pressures and frequencies.

The phoenix/rocket web site is cleverly worded. If you read the information and the FAQs closely, you will notice that they reference “acoustic wave technology” and they would be correct in that there is data showing its effectiveness. No where on their own site do they say that their own product is effective or that it even works in treating ED. It’s always the technology or the science that is effective and proven in the text. None of the numerous studies linked in the web site use the rocket/phoenix device even though they (probably intentionally) read as though implied.

These nice people figured out how to take a $70k device and make it affordable at home for every man at only $700? And at the same time they reduced the size so that it easily fits in your hand instead of sitting on a cart. Guys, it’s a scam. Get your money back while you can.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I haven’t seen anywhere that the device’s specifications are listed so that anyone can make a comparison. Any device in a clinical setting clearly spells this out in product information and on public web sites. A legitimate product has nothing to hide and the details are important because the studies showing efficacy used specific pressures and frequencies.

The phoenix/rocket web site is cleverly worded. If you read the information and the FAQs closely, you will notice that they reference “acoustic wave technology” and they would be correct in that there is data showing its effectiveness. No where on their own site do they say that their own product is effective or that it even works in treating ED. It’s always the technology or the science that is effective and proven in the text. None of the numerous studies linked in the web site use the rocket/phoenix device even though they (probably intentionally) read as though implied.

These nice people figured out how to take a $70k device and make it affordable at home for every man at only $700? And at the same time they reduced the size so that it easily fits in your hand instead of sitting on a cart. Guys, it’s a scam. Get your money back while you can.

Thanks for sharing your research. When you lay it out like that, it sure does seem to be too good to be true.

 

[Bentiger07]

Sorry for not responding until now.

I'll report back when I've finished 9-12 treatments. A review now is premature, but so far, I haven't noticed any help with ED. I did just recently notice a slight increase in morning wood, but it's not clear if it's due to the phoenix or the pelvic floor therapy for ED that I'm doing in conjunction with a doctor physiotherapist. It's most likely one or the other, but maybe an unlikely coincidence. Either way, need to see more results to consider it effective, and I need to give the time for it.

If the device is not effective enough, and they don't honor their "30 day no questions asked" return policy, I'll dispute with credit card and I'm sure I'll win that. If somehow I don't, worst comes to worst, I just lost $600 something dollars (coupon code), and am at peace knowing I tried everything reasonable to try for ED, before jumping on board for an implant.

 

[Ark11]

I have had LIST on two different occasions, approximately 2 years apart, first in Buenos Aires at a university associated medical clinic and the second time in a clinical trial at the Univiersity of Miami, using the top of the line device created in a collaborative effort in Germany, Switzerland and Israel, costing many tens of thousand of dollars. I suffered from severe venous leak and obtained excellent results after both sets of treatment. I would not recommend using any of the cheap, unregulated, untested devices out there, e.g., GainsWave, Phoenix (aka Rocket), etc. The effect in each instance lasted about two years and I am again needing treatment.

 

[DorianGray]

I have had LIST on two different occasions, approximately 2 years apart, first in Buenos Aires at a university associated medical clinic and the second time in a clinical trial at the Univiersity of Miami, using the top of the line device created in a collaborative effort in Germany, Switzerland and Israel, costing many tens of thousand of dollars. I suffered from severe venous leak and obtained excellent results after both sets of treatment. I would not recommend using any of the cheap, unregulated, untested devices out there, e.g., GainsWave, Phoenix (aka Rocket), etc. The effect in each instance lasted about two years and I am again needing treatment.

@Ark11 Did you have Doppler ultrasound to diagnose venous leakage? Were you able to get erections spontaneously and sustain them?

Are you familiar with this device: Urology & Sexual Health

 

[Ark11]

Yes I had the Dopplers multiple times with three different urologists. After the LIST my erectile function improved about 70%. I began developing spontaneous morning erections and could achieve erections suitable for peenetration with considerable but notalways perfect reliability. The treatments were well worth the time, effort and money. The effects begin to wear off after one to two years and this is reflected in the scientific literture as well as in my individual case. I used a first generation device for the first series of treatments (two per week for four weeks) and an improved second generation device from the same company in the Miami clinical trial. In that trial I received five consecutive treatments in a one week period with good results. Another arm of that trial tested the same device over a two week period with six treatments. The results were about the same in both arms of the trial.

 

[Ark11]

And, no, I am not familiar with the device you linked to. So far as i know, the FDA still has not approved any of the devices for the treatment of ED in the USA, though the devices I used have been approved in major European and other countries around the world and is likely to be the first to be fully approved in the US.

 

[Nelson Vergel]

@Ark11 is this the one you used?

Low-intensity shockwave therapy (LiST) for erectile dysfunction: a randomized clinical trial assessing the impact of energy flux density (EFD) and frequency of sessions - International Journal of Impotence Research

The impact of energy flux density (EFD) used on low-intensity shockwave therapy (LiST) for erectile dysfunction (ED) has not been explored. Our aim was to compare EFD 0.05 versus 0.10 mJ/mm2 regarding efficacy and safety of 12-treatment sessions when applied two or three times per week...

www.nature.com

Increased shockwave therapy sessions linked to enhanced benefit for erectile dysfunction

In patients with prior exposure to PDE5 inhibitors, increasing the number of sessions of low-intensity shockwave therapy was associated with improving outcomes.

www.urologytimes.com