Estrogen receptor damage from AI

[Chroniclowe]

Hello, does any one else here at the moment runs in the same problems as me?
I’ve been trt for about 4 years now, and used about three years aromatase inhibitors, letro arimidex and aromasin, i’ve been used them all, and always caused me crushes e2 symptoms when i took them even while my e2 was ”ok”. So its now one year off aromatase inhibitors but my joints feel still dry ass hell when i was on my baddest e2 crash, my skin never ever gets oily anymore, and many typical low e2 symptoms. i feel like my estrogen receptors are permanently affected from irresponsible aromatase inhibitors using from a past. I’ve seen they can affect permanently aromatase receptors and im sure im f**ed up. Got bloodworks little time ago from tTest E 225mg/wk, just before next injection (0.385ml e3d)
Free testosterone: 604 pmol/L (155-800)
total testosterone: 33.4 pmol/L (8-29)
Shbg 22 nmol/l (15-95)
E2 sensitive : 0.27 nmol/L (<0.15)
E1 sensitive : 399 pmol/L (144-377)
DHT sensitive: 3.54 nmol/l (1.03-2.92) (DHT labs pretty sure error because leg hairs dropped and beard falling off, gonna retest it)

So my estrogen levels are good on paper but still feel all low e2 symptoms , so its definently estrogen receptor damage. Also my leg hairs and beard always dropping with slow ester testosterone because they doesnt conver dht as much than short esters, with test prop and sustanon my beard and leg hairs grow back and dont fall off. But with sustanon and prop my joints feel dryer than ever. So i’ve have decide to use test e. So anyways low e2 symptoms are my main point. With last year i’ve been trying to get desperately my aromatase entsymes back in the game but no hope. Increased test e temporaly to 300mg/wk no help, still joints dry, very dry skin, never get oily as before those shitty aromatase inhibitors. Tryed mega blasting hcg 1000iu to 7000iu/wk no help at all. Only increase my progesterone too much and feel like shyte.
Boron 6-12mg day no help at all.(i’ve seen it increase estrogen for some people)
So its seems like i dont have many options anymore left to bring back my aromatase receptors. Now im gonna try DHEA 25-50mg day , but pretty sure thats not gonna help either. Also gonna try after that pregnenolone 50-100mg day with combination with dhea. If those not gonna work my last plan is to use dbol 10mg day for a while(dbol is notoriuous from estrogen conversion) or estrogen cream if i can get prescription from doctor. Doctors watching only lab numbers here in europe, and i think its almost next impossible to get estrogen cream here as a man. What do you guys think? Sorry very long post but thats my story. Aromatase inhibitors are danger as hell!

 

[Bmac]

I can’t offer any guidance but I am in a similar boat. My previous AI usage has given me long term side effects regardless of my bloodwork. But I don’t think it’s permanent receptor damage.

 

[Stylo]

What type of diet do you guys have? Stress levels? Alcohol? Age?

 

[Chroniclowe]

I can’t offer any guidance but I am in a similar boat. My previous AI usage has given me long term side effects regardless of my bloodwork. But I don’t think it’s permanent receptor damage.

Okay, i myself think it can be definently permanent i,ve seen one guy who has been same situation over 5 years! Because of longterm AI using. And here is also members what i,ve seen, but they never came back to tell whats they feeling nowadays years later. But i think its maybe possible regain your aromatase entsymes back in the game if you stimulate them with excess estrogen longterm, lets see what happens if i use estrogen cream one year row if i can get prescription.

 

[Chroniclowe]

What type of diet do you guys have? Stress levels? Alcohol? Age?

No stress, no alchohol, healthy eating, under 30.

 

[Bmac]

What type of diet do you guys have? Stress levels? Alcohol? Age?

24, no alcohol. Diet isn’t perfect but breakfast is the same two eggs and turkey bacon on a English muffin. dinner is a protein carb and dark leafy green and lunch is leftover dinner. With some snacking in between

 

[Vince]

Can estrogen crash cause desensitization/knock out of the estrogen receptor - lets discuss!

Hey there, i've been reading up on this forum for a couple days now after I experienced what seemed like my second estrogen crash coming off of my first cycle. My first and ONLY cycle was as follows: 24 years old 300-325 mg of test cypionate two injections per week mon/thur. And throughout the...

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[Chroniclowe]

Can estrogen crash cause desensitization/knock out of the estrogen receptor - lets discuss!

Hey there, i've been reading up on this forum for a couple days now after I experienced what seemed like my second estrogen crash coming off of my first cycle. My first and ONLY cycle was as follows: 24 years old 300-325 mg of test cypionate two injections per week mon/thur. And throughout the...

www.excelmale.com

I have read them million times almost all estrogen crash posts, and many estrogen study. But looking for some new information is there any ways to recover your aromatase entsymes back. @Nelson Vergel any tips? Other than dhea, estrogen cream etc?

 

[Vince]

I have read them million times almost all estrogen crash posts, and many estrogen study. But looking for some new information is there any ways to recover your aromatase entsymes back. @Nelson Vergel any tips? Other than dhea, estrogen cream etc?

That's awesome, that you're doing of that research. It really helps when we educate ourselves.

 

[Chroniclowe]

That's awesome, that you're doing of that research. It really helps when we educate ourselves.

Thank you , yes i,ve been researching and reading things for years. And the estrogen measuring blood/serum is worthless even if its extra x100 ultra blood sample. it doesnt tell thing what happens in your tissues. Im sure my estrogen levels in my tissues are near to zero despite my estrogens in my serum are good. Hopefully in future we can measure our estrogen levels in tissue.

 

[Stylo]

For some reason Beer intake has an increase in Estrogen for most men. I would consider drinking hoppy beer for a few weeks and testing to see if you have detectable estrogen. Its easy and available. Another is the use of Birth control pills, but I have no idea how to dose that.

 

[Vince]

For some reason Beer intake has an increase in Estrogen for most men. I would consider drinking hoppy beer for a few weeks and testing to see if you have detectable estrogen. Its easy and available. Another is the use of Birth control pills, but I have no idea how to dose that.

I wouldn't take female birth control pills. I do believe some men who tanked their estrogen, can inject it. I wouldn't do it without doctor supervision.

 

[Chroniclowe]

For some reason Beer intake has an increase in Estrogen for most men. I would consider drinking hoppy beer for a few weeks and testing to see if you have detectable estrogen. Its easy and available. Another is the use of Birth control pills, but I have no idea how to dose that.

I,ve tried drinking 2-6 beers it helps little bit for couple hours, but not longterm option. Never tried birthcontrol pills however and they are not on my list, havent read anything good about them to increase estrogen as a male. Its more like a fatal advise.

 

[Chroniclowe]

I wouldn't take female birth control pills. I do believe some men who tanked their estrogen, can inject it. I wouldn't do it without doctor supervision.

Injectable depo-estrogen looks promising but shame its not available in my country. I think its not even available in whole europe.

 

[Stylo]

Its a damn shame that this happened to you. I have a ton of AI pills that my doc keeps giving me. I dont take them. Perhaps a consult with a US doctor could at least lead you in the right direction with conversations about medication or supplements to help you.

 

[Chroniclowe]

Its a damn shame that this happened to you. I have a ton of AI pills that my doc keeps giving me. I dont take them. Perhaps a consult with a US doctor could at least lead you in the right direction with conversations about medication or supplements to help you.

I think AI’s dont have place on TRT. Nothing good about them, only studies you find is how dangerous and toxic they are on the human body, nothing positive not single one. So you have done right decision to not take them. I remember when i started trt i was very very estrogen prone i had to pop AI’s like candys to keep estrogen in ”range”. But the reason i was so estrogen prone begin with was because i was also untreated hypothyroid so i had estrogen dominance on my body. I regret so much that i took Ai’s as long i did. After my life’s first dose of 0.25mg arimidex i got severe depression and almost started to cry thats how bad the effect was. And i wasnt even overresponder, and as long as i kept take them i got some weird AI ”tolerance” and i get used to them and still felt like shit. I can get couple bottles of estrogen cream so im gonna try them after the dhea experiment. Just started dhea 25mg today, lets see when estrogen starts climbing if thats ever gonna happend.

 

[glob]

Hello, does any one else here at the moment runs in the same problems as me?
I’ve been trt for about 4 years now, and used about three years aromatase inhibitors, letro arimidex and aromasin, i’ve been used them all, and always caused me crushes e2 symptoms when i took them even while my e2 was ”ok”. So its now one year off aromatase inhibitors but my joints feel still dry ass hell when i was on my baddest e2 crash, my skin never ever gets oily anymore, and many typical low e2 symptoms. i feel like my estrogen receptors are permanently affected from irresponsible aromatase inhibitors using from a past. I’ve seen they can affect permanently aromatase receptors and im sure im f**ed up. Got bloodworks little time ago from tTest E 225mg/wk, just before next injection (0.385ml e3d)
Free testosterone: 604 pmol/L (155-800)
total testosterone: 33.4 pmol/L (8-29)
Shbg 22 nmol/l (15-95)
E2 sensitive : 0.27 nmol/L (<0.15)
E1 sensitive : 399 pmol/L (144-377)
DHT sensitive: 3.54 nmol/l (1.03-2.92) (DHT labs pretty sure error because leg hairs dropped and beard falling off, gonna retest it)

So my estrogen levels are good on paper but still feel all low e2 symptoms , so its definently estrogen receptor damage. Also my leg hairs and beard always dropping with slow ester testosterone because they doesnt conver dht as much than short esters, with test prop and sustanon my beard and leg hairs grow back and dont fall off. But with sustanon and prop my joints feel dryer than ever. So i’ve have decide to use test e. So anyways low e2 symptoms are my main point. With last year i’ve been trying to get desperately my aromatase entsymes back in the game but no hope. Increased test e temporaly to 300mg/wk no help, still joints dry, very dry skin, never get oily as before those shitty aromatase inhibitors. Tryed mega blasting hcg 1000iu to 7000iu/wk no help at all. Only increase my progesterone too much and feel like shyte.
Boron 6-12mg day no help at all.(i’ve seen it increase estrogen for some people)
So its seems like i dont have many options anymore left to bring back my aromatase receptors. Now im gonna try DHEA 25-50mg day , but pretty sure thats not gonna help either. Also gonna try after that pregnenolone 50-100mg day with combination with dhea. If those not gonna work my last plan is to use dbol 10mg day for a while(dbol is notoriuous from estrogen conversion) or estrogen cream if i can get prescription from doctor. Doctors watching only lab numbers here in europe, and i think its almost next impossible to get estrogen cream here as a man. What do you guys think? Sorry very long post but thats my story. Aromatase inhibitors are danger as hell!

Hey men, any update to your situation?

 

[Chroniclowe]

Hey men, any update to your situation?

Im fine now took more than 2 year + , and
Infrequent testosterone injection protocol works for me. 0.5ml Sustanon ~e5d. rollercoaster protocol = more aromatization.
Im fine nowadays. I actually got high e2 when last week when i tried test prop eod rollercoaster protocol. of course my aromatisation rate is much much lower than before AI shit, i cant use anything what inhibits aromatisation (zinc, cialis etc) but atleast i can aromatase with rollercoaster protocol.

 

[Sicillian]

Hello, does any one else here at the moment runs in the same problems as me?
I’ve been trt for about 4 years now, and used about three years aromatase inhibitors, letro arimidex and aromasin,

Have you tried essential oils (Rosemary oil, Tea Tree oil, Levander oil). These are highly estrogenic oils. Also Co-enzyme Q10 is estrogenic. It gave me sensitive nipples. These are anti androgens so beware of everything that comes with low androgen systems.

 

[glob]

Im fine now took more than 2 year + , and
Infrequent testosterone injection protocol works for me. 0.5ml Sustanon ~e5d. rollercoaster protocol = more aromatization.
Im fine nowadays. I actually got high e2 when last week when i tried test prop eod rollercoaster protocol. of course my aromatisation rate is much much lower than before AI shit, i cant use anything what inhibits aromatisation (zinc, cialis etc) but atleast i can aromatase with rollercoaster protocol.

I'm glad to hear this!