EPA vs DHA, Know the Differences

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maxadvance

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Both are uniquely beneficial, but when combating inflammation and omega-6's, EPA is a clear choice, my omega-3 consumption is split up between the 2.

http://www.zonediet.com/blog/what-are-the-real-differences-between-epa-and-dha/

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Posted March 6, 2012 by Dr. Barry Sears & filed under fatty acids, Zone Diet.
The first casualty of marketing is usually the truth. The reality is that the two key omega-3 fatty acids (EPA and DHA found in fish oil) do a lot of different things, and as a result the benefits of EPA and DHA are often very different. That’s why you need them both. But as to why, let me go into more detail.
[h=3]Benefits of EPA[/b]The ultimate goal of using omega-3 fatty acids is the reduction of cellular inflammation. Since eicosanoids derived from arachidonic acid (AA), an omega-6 fatty acid, are the primary mediators of cellular inflammation, EPA is the most important of the omega-3 fatty acids to reduce cellular inflammation for a number of reasons. First, EPA is an inhibitor of the enzyme delta-5-desaturase (D5D) that produces AA (1). The more EPA you have in the diet, the less AA you produce. This essentially chokes off the supply of AA necessary for the production of pro-inflammatory eicosanoids (prostaglandins, thromboxanes, leukotrienes, etc.)
DHA is not an inhibitor of this enzyme because it can’t fit into the active catalytic site of the enzyme due to its larger spatial size. As an additional insurance policy, EPA also competes with AA for the enzyme phospholipase A2 necessary to release AA from the membrane phospholipids (where it is stored). Inhibition of this enzyme is the mechanism of action used by corticosteroids. If you have adequate levels of EPA to compete with AA (i.e. a low AA/EPA ratio), you can realize many of the benefits of corticosteroids but without their side effects. That’s because if you don’t release AA from the cell membrane, you can’t make inflammatory eicosanoids. Because of its increased spatial dimensions, DHA is not a good competitor of phospholipase A2 relative to EPA. On the other hand, EPA and AA are very similar spatially so they are in constant competition for the phospholipase A2 enzyme, just as both fatty acids are in constant competition for the delta-5 desaturase enzyme. This is why measuring the AA/EPA ratio is such a powerful predictor of the state of cellular inflammation in your body.
The various enzymes (COX and LOX) that make inflammatory eicosanoids can accommodate both AA and EPA, but again due to the greater spatial size of DHA, these enzymes will have difficulty-converting DHA into eicosanoids. This makes DHA a poor substrate for these key inflammatory enzymes. Thus DHA again has little effect on cellular inflammation, whereas EPA can have a powerful impact.
Finally, it is often assumed since there are not high levels of EPA in the brain, that it is not important for neurological function. Actually, it is key for reducing neuro-inflammation by competing against AA for access to the same enzymes needed to produce inflammatory eicosanoids. However, once EPA enters into the brain, it is rapidly oxidized (2,3). This is not the case with DHA (4). The only way to control cellular inflammation in the brain is to maintain high levels of EPA in the blood. This is why all the work on depression, ADHD, brain trauma, etc., has demonstrated that EPA is superior to DHA (5).
[h=3]Benefits of DHA[/b]At this point, you might think that DHA is useless. Just the opposite, because DHA can do a lot of different things than EPA and some of them even better.
First is in the area of omega-6 fatty acid metabolism. Whereas EPA is the inhibitor of the enzyme (D5D) that directly produces AA, DHA is an inhibitor of another key enzyme, delta-6-desaturase (D6D), that produces the first metabolite from linoleic acid known as gamma linolenic acid or GLA (6). However, this is not exactly an advantage. Even though reduction of GLA will eventually decrease AA production, it also has the more immediate effect of reducing the production of the next metabolite known as dihomo gamma linolenic acid or DGLA. This can be a disaster as a great number of powerful anti-inflammatory eicosanoids are derived from DGLA. This is why if you use high-dose DHA, it is essential to add back trace amounts of GLA to maintain sufficient levels of DGLA to continue to make anti-inflammatory eicosanoids.
In my opinion, the key benefit of DHA lies in its unique spatial characteristics. As mentioned earlier, the extra double bonds and length of DHA compared to EPA means it takes up a lot more space in the membrane. Although this increase in spatial volume makes DHA a poor substrate for phospholipase A2 as well as the COX and LOX enzymes, it does a great job of making membranes (especially those in the brain) a lot more fluid as the DHA sweeps out a much greater volume in the membrane than EPA. This increase in membrane fluidity is critical for synaptic vesicles and the retina of the eye because it allows receptors to rotate more effectively, thus increasing the transmission of signals from the surface of the membrane to the interior of the nerve cells. This is why DHA is a critical component of these parts of the nerves (7). On the other hand, the myelin membrane is essentially an insulator so that relatively little DHA is found in that part of the membrane.
This constant sweeping motion of DHA also causes the breakup of lipid rafts in membranes (8). Disruption of these islands of relatively solid lipids makes it more difficult for cancer cells to continue to survive and more difficult for inflammatory cytokines to initiate the signaling responses to turn on inflammatory genes (9). In addition, these greater spatial characteristics of DHA increase the size of LDL particles to a greater extent compared to EPA. As a result DHA helps reduce the entry of these enlarged LDL particles into the muscle cells that line the artery, thus reducing the likelihood of developing atherosclerotic lesions (10). Thus the increased spatial territory swept out by DHA is good news for making certain areas of membranes more fluid or lipoprotein particles larger, even though it reduces the benefits of DHA in competing with AA for key enzymes important in the development of cellular inflammation.
[h=3]Common Effects for Both EPA and DHA[/b]Not surprisingly, there are some areas in which both EPA and DHA appear to be equally beneficial. For example, both are equally effective in reducing triglyceride levels (10). This is probably due to the relatively equivalent activation of the gene transcription factor (PPAR alpha) that causes the enhanced synthesis of the enzymes that oxidize fats in lipoprotein particles. There is also apparently equal activation of the anti-inflammatory gene transcription factor PPAR-gamma (11). Both seem to be equally effective in making powerful anti-inflammatory eicosanoids known as resolvins (12). Finally, although both have no effect on total cholesterol levels, DHA can increase the size of LDL particle to a greater extent than EPA can (10).
[h=3]Summary[/b]EPA and DHA do different things, so you need them both. If your goal is reducing cellular inflammation, then you probably need more EPA than DHA. How much more? Probably twice the levels, but you always cover your bets with omega-3 fatty acids by using both at the same time. So try Dr. Sears’ Zone OmegaRx Fish Oil. You’ll be glad you did.
 
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Max's Dr. Sears' article is a good reminder of both the differences between EPA & DHA, as well as some of the benefits of both. I find many people's diets are insufficient in both and fish oil supplementation is very beneficial. But too much of a good thing, can be not so good. Also, I think Dr. Sears leaves some unanswered questions...

His summary is as follows:
Your article's summary is as follows: EPA and DHA do different things, so you need them both. If your goal is reducing cellular inflammation, then you probably need more EPA than DHA. How much more? Probably twice the levels, but you always cover your bets with omega-3 fatty acids by using both at the same time. So try Dr. Sears’ Zone OmegaRx Fish Oil. You’ll be glad you did.

Dr. Sears says "probably" twice the levels... So how much? And how much total w3s should I take daily?? Dr. Sears doesn't say - he just suggests to go buy his supplement.

For anyone who is interested in learning that max tissue saturation tends to occur around 2-3g of Omega-3s per day, and other facts about taking fish oil, before diving in (or as part of re-assessing your supplement strategy), here is a great article that sums everything up nicely. And for those that don't know - Alan Aragon is well worth following. He regularly bashes myths and bro-science and substantiates all of his findings and articles with peer-reviewed, scientific studies - being very careful not to draw conclusions from "rat studies" that may not apply to humans, but using real human-based in-vivo studies where possible, and pointing out disclaimers or study limitations in other cases.


http://alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html

Fish Oil: Just The Facts By Alan Aragon
(EXCERPT only - see the above link for the entire article...)
The Dark Side of Over-doing Fish Oil Supplementation

Yes, Luke, there is always a dark side. In the world of unchecked marketing hype, fish oil has definitely gotten the “more is better” stamp. The problem is, EPA and DHA have a well-documented ability to suppress the body’s immune response. Although not as consistent as the immune effects, data also exist on the ability of EPA and DHA to increase bleeding time and oxidation. Let’s take a look at a couple of the published peer-reviewed research that no one in the fitness industry talks about.

Thies and colleagues examined the 12-week effect of various fatty acid supplement mixes on healthy subjects [19]. Various blends of placebo oil and oils rich in ALA, GLA, AA, DHA, or EPA (720mg) + DHA (280mg) were compared. Total fat intake from the 9-capsule dose was 4 g/d. The EPA/DHA treatment was the only one that had a negative effect on immunity, significantly decreasing natural killer cell activity by 48%. This effect was reversed after 4 weeks of ceasing intake of the supplement.

Rees and colleagues investigated the effects of various amounts of EPA on immune markers in young and older men [20]. In a 12-week study, EPA was incorporated into plasma and mononuclear cell phospholipids. Supplemental EPA in amounts of 1.35, 2.7, and 4.05g/day caused a dose-dependent decrease in neutrophil respiratory burst, indicating the suppression of a cellular defense against immunity threats. This effect was seen in the older, but not the younger men. Based on these and the previous data, if you’re not a spring chicken, and immunity is an issue, you might not want to go hog-wild on the fish oil dosing.

Suggested Use & Take-Home Tips

The cardio-protective benefits of increasing the dietary proportion of omega-3 fatty acids is seen consistently in trials involving various populations and protocols. Fish oil is one of the few supplements that actually has a substantial body of scientific evidence backing it up. However, it’s easy to think in terms of pills instead of food. Those who love fish (and have the time or resources to prepare or order it) can simply increase or maintain their intake of fatty fish such as salmon, mackerel, lake trout, herring, albacore tuna, and sardines.

The American Heart Association (AHA) recommends at least two servings of fish per week for the general population. Think of a palm-sized piece as a serving. For those with high triacylglycerol levels, a supplemental 2-4g of combined EPA/DHA is their suggested therapeutic dose. However, note that caution is advised against supplementing more than 3g combined EPA/DHA outside of a physician’s care, since some individuals may risk excessive bleeding [21]. 3 g combined EPA/DHA typically is contained within 10 one-gram capsules. I recommend maxing out your whole food options first before going the supplemental route. There’s always more complete and synergistic nutrition contained within whole foods. Having 3-6 oz fatty fish a minimum of 4 times a week would exempt most healthy folks from needing fish oil supplementation. For those who can’t or won’t eat fish, there’s always fish oil capsules, which thankfully are inexpensive, and more convenient than getting your omega-3’s through fish.

The amount of EPA/DHA per capsule may vary with the brand. Capsules can contain anywhere from 250-500mg. Most healthy folks don’t need more than 3-6 one-gram capsules per day to meet or exceed the amounts that show benefits. There are no definitive conclusions about optimal proportion of EPA:DHA, so to error on the side of safety, I recommend finding roughly an even mix. It’s common and perfectly acceptable for products to contain slightly more EPA than DHA. If at all possible, make sure your supplement is verified by the USP (United States Pharmacopoeia) for the peace of mind that you’re getting what the label is claiming. I would also error on the side of safety and keep them refrigerated. As a side note, there’s a widespread belief that ALA from flaxseed is worthless for increasing EPA/DHA since the conversion is inefficient. However, Harper’s team recently saw 3g ALA/day (from 5.2g flaxseed oil) raise plasma EPA levels by 60% at the end of a 12-week trial [22].

Looking at the body of evidence as a whole, fish oil (or increased fish consumption) has great potential for improving cardiovascular health. But for reducing body fat, the effects are minor to nonexistent. Let’s not forget that fish oil isn’t some magical negative-calorie food. It still contains 9 calories per gram, and no matter how much of those calories are used in its processing within the body, it’s still a net gain in calories after consumption. To sum everything up, fish oil has health benefits, as well as potential risks. It’s certainly not a matter of more-is-better. It might have minor fat loss effects in the obese and overweight population, but their fat loss effect in general is far from conclusively established. Get a variety of fats in your diet, and get them from whole foods whenever possible. Fish oil is merely one of many agents that can contribute to optimal health within the context of well-balanced nutrition. Keep it in perspective, and keep your eye on the facts.

References (see original article for ~20 studies cited)
 
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Re-Ride

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Even doctors mistakenly refer to Lovaza as "just fish oil" which it is not. Studies must be examined closely to see if fish oil or purified EPS/DHA ( such as Lovaza ) were used.

A recently released study claims to show no benefit of survival and no fewer cardiovascular events in those who regularly consume Omega 3 capsules ( fish oil?). Doctors have begun citing this flawed study as a reason not to prescribe Lovaza even in those patients who have benefited from laboratory confirmed serum triglyceride reduction.

Pulverized fish scraps are a waste product of the seafood industry. This waste may contain EPA/DHA but is not an acceptable dietary source of Omega-3's imo regardless of the claims made by manufacturer's or their assurances on handling and/or "purification".

Fish low on the food chain harvested from relatively clean cold waters such as some sardines are a better source imo. If you can't or won't eat these fish then Rx caps of EPA/DHA caps are the only safe bet. Each lot is tested and certified for purity and content unlike fish oil caps.

When choosing an Omega 3 cap consider potency. and purity. How many grams total must be consumed to yield one gram of EPA and DHA? Acceptable batch certified products will be almost pure EPA/DHA. Your olfactory senses can help determine product quality. Break a capsule in to a few ounces of spring water. It should be palatable with little or no fishy odor or taste.

The cost of Rx grade Omegs can be quite high. Your insurance carrier may not routinely cover them. Many will if the doctor certifies a medical necessity such a high triglycerides backed up by serum assay.
 

maxadvance

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Even doctors mistakenly refer to Lovaza as "just fish oil" which it is not. Studies must be examined closely to see if fish oil or purified EPS/DHA ( such as Lovaza ) were used.

A recently released study claims to show no benefit of survival and no fewer cardiovascular events in those who regularly consume Omega 3 capsules ( fish oil?). Doctors have begun citing this flawed study as a reason not to prescribe Lovaza even in those patients who have benefited from laboratory confirmed serum triglyceride reduction.

Pulverized fish scraps are a waste product of the seafood industry. This waste may contain EPA/DHA but is not an acceptable dietary source of Omega-3's imo regardless of the claims made by manufacturer's or their assurances on handling and/or "purification".

Fish low on the food chain harvested from relatively clean cold waters such as some sardines are a better source imo. If you can't or won't eat these fish then Rx caps of EPA/DHA caps are the only safe bet. Each lot is tested and certified for purity and content unlike fish oil caps.

When choosing an Omega 3 cap consider potency. and purity. How many grams total must be consumed to yield one gram of EPA and DHA? Acceptable batch certified products will be almost pure EPA/DHA. Your olfactory senses can help determine product quality. Break a capsule in to a few ounces of spring water. It should be palatable with little or no fishy odor or taste.

The cost of Rx grade Omegs can be quite high. Your insurance carrier may not routinely cover them. Many will if the doctor certifies a medical necessity such a high triglycerides backed up by serum assay.


I'm familiar with Lovaza, it is expensive but Docs make more money with statins and Lovaza is not profitable as it stands. I take purified EPA by OmegaVia, 500mg per cap, 120 caps for $28. A fraction of the cost of Lovaza. I can't personally attest to survival rate, but my triglycerides dropped 200 points after 2 months of popping 3 caps a day of the stuff.
 

Re-Ride

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I can't personally attest to survival rate...
Sure you can Max! You're alive and typing away aren't you? Seriously though if OmegaVia can be trusted to consistently produce what they advertise it does seem like a good product sourced from small cold water fish and claim a low temperature process. They post up interesting stuff on K2 supplements and the Krell. 30 seconds on a plastic educator will convince anyone of the need to steer clear of red monsters. Rx omegas are way too expensive to buy out of pocket. The main benefit is that each lot is certified. Your post helps members understand that EPA and DHA each have something to offer. That's a good thing.
 

Fireproof

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http://alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html


Fish Oil: Just The Facts By Alan Aragon 7-05-07



Wtf bro? Thanks for destroying my thread about EPA vs DHA with a random thread about fishoil?

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had exclusive rights to post about EPA & DHA.

Forgive me for assuming that readers might become educated by your thread about the benefits of BOTH EPA and DHA and wonder if they should start supplementing with Fish Oil, and if so, wanting to learn more. And maybe they would even benefit in knowing that too much Omega-3s can be a bad thing.

And "destroying your thread" with a "random" post about fish oil? Whatever. Your article specifically recommended TAKING FISH OIL. So how is my post on TAKING FISH OIL, backed with a ton of scientific studies and peer reviewed journals, "random?"

I thought this site was about eduction.


I guess we're just supposed to post a reply that says "Nice article, bro, thanks." Instead of adding to the discussion?
 

maxadvance

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lmao, article was about EPA vs DHA, not Taking Fish Oil. You had zero take and zero response in your post, just a C&P of a lame mile long article that is barely related to the threads intent. And took 4 page scrolls just to get past it. Your web etiquette sucks. You added squat to any discussion, and killed the thread. Nice post, bro, thanks!
 

Fireproof

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lmao, article was about EPA vs DHA, not Taking Fish Oil. You had zero take and zero response in your post, just a C&P of a lame mile long article that is barely related to the threads intent. And took 4 page scrolls just to get past it. Your web etiquette sucks. You added squat to any discussion, and killed the thread. Nice post, bro, thanks!


Someone needs to have his e2 levels checked.

Next time I'll post some commentary since you can't adequately connect the dots...like this:

Your article's summary is as follows:
EPA and DHA do different things, so you need them both. If your goal is reducing cellular inflammation, then you probably need more EPA than DHA. How much more? Probably twice the levels, but you always cover your bets with omega-3 fatty acids by using both at the same time. So try Dr. Sears' Zone OmegaRx Fish Oil. You'll be glad you did.

Dr. Sears says "probably" twice the levels... So how much? And how much total w3s should I take daily?? Oh - Dr. Sears doesn't say - he just suggests to go buy HIS supplement. Interesting.

For anyone, other than Max, who is interested in learning that max tissue saturation tends to occur around 2-3g of Omega-3s per day, and other facts about taking fish oil, before diving in, here is a great article that sums everything up nicely. And for those that don't know - Alan Aragon is well worth following. He regularly bashes myths and bro-science and substantiates all of his findings and articles with peer-reviewed, scientific studies - being very careful not to draw conclusions from "rat studies" that may not apply to humans, but using real human-based in-vivo studies where possible, and pointing out disclaimers or study limitations in other cases.
 

maxadvance

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Wow, you have an actual opinion. Right on dude. In the interest of civility, nice post dude, how about trimming that first post of yours to under 4 screen shots.
 

Fireproof

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Maxadvance I'd be curious if you have looked at Mega EFA from Vitacost. It seems two daily capsules will yield 1.2 grams of EPA/DHA with EPA being double the size of the DHA.

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-mega-efa-omega-3-epa-dha-fish-oil-2100-mg-240-softgels-3

Ha - that's exactly the stuff I take. In fact, I just re-ordered a bottle. Good stuff.

I used to take Carlson's Fish Oil - but liquid is kind of slimy to swallow, and certainly not as convenient to take (I travel, so it's easier to pack caps...)
 
I'm familiar with Lovaza, it is expensive but Docs make more money with statins and Lovaza is not profitable as it stands. I take purified EPA by OmegaVia, 500mg per cap, 120 caps for $28. A fraction of the cost of Lovaza. I can't personally attest to survival rate, but my triglycerides dropped 200 points after 2 months of popping 3 caps a day of the stuff.

Max,

Any reason that you're not taking the OmegaVia pharma grade Omega 3, vice just the purified EPA? The pharma grade Omega 3 has 780mg of EPA, 260mg of DHA, and 1300mg of pharma grade oil per softgel cap. Just wondering, since they cost about the same.

I'm going to try the Omega3 for my next bottle of fish oil. Thanks for the info.
 

maxadvance

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Maxadvance I'd be curious if you have looked at Mega EFA from Vitacost. It seems two daily capsules will yield 1.2 grams of EPA/DHA with EPA being double the size of the DHA.

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-mega-efa-omega-3-epa-dha-fish-oil-2100-mg-240-softgels-3

Haven't seen that b4, but one it contains soy, and two I read somewhere that EPA and DHA compete witheachother for absorption so it made me want to take them exclusively if I took both. That being said I just ordered some of this on Amazon because of it's super potency of 1000mg per pill of omega-3 at a better than 2-1 ratio.

http://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Blue-Pr...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
 

maxadvance

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Max,

Any reason that you're not taking the OmegaVia pharma grade Omega 3, vice just the purified EPA? The pharma grade Omega 3 has 780mg of EPA, 260mg of DHA, and 1300mg of pharma grade oil per softgel cap. Just wondering, since they cost about the same.


I'm going to try the Omega3 for my next bottle of fish oil. Thanks for the info.


lol, that stuff looks good, but when I started my hunt for omegas I discovered that EPA was available exclusively, and EPA was the primary omega that fought inflammation between the 2, and that EPA competed with DHA for absorption. So there's that. But that looks potent, I'll order some right now, thanks!
 
Haven't seen that b4, but one it contains soy, and two I read somewhere that EPA and DHA compete witheachother for absorption so it made me want to take them exclusively if I took both. That being said I just ordered some of this on Amazon because of it's super potency of 1000mg per pill of omega-3 at a better than 2-1 ratio.

http://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Blue-Pr...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00


I can't tell from the page anywhere perhaps I'm just too tired and need to go to bed, but that looks like 1 pill to get that level of Omega-3. I see a lot of folks taking 2-3 but the EPA+DHA I assume = 1950 mg.

Is there a need for much more than that?

Nice find.
 

Fireproof

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I can't tell from the page anywhere perhaps I'm just too tired and need to go to bed, but that looks like 1 pill to get that level of Omega-3. I see a lot of folks taking 2-3 but the EPA+DHA I assume = 1950 mg.

Is there a need for much more than that?

Nice find.

According to Ocean Blue's website:

1 soft gel = 675mg EPA + 300mg DHA = 975mg total.

Studies show tissue saturation occurs by 3grams, so 2-3 soft gels per day makes sense to max tissue saturation, assuming you aren't getting much EPA or DHA from daily food sources. (I don't - I rarely eat fish).

I think I'll probably order this next time I need some.
 

gallan

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I'd be concerned about buying any fish oil online. Who knows how long it may have sat in a hot truck. Obviously depending on climate but possibly something to think about.
I see some of the reviews on Amazon (even with the high quality ones) mention capsules melting together and rancidity issues. Some of the local health food stores around here guarantee freshness and point to point refrigerated truck shipping to store.
 
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