Awesome thank youYes it's legit. Enclomiphene is much better than chlomid for men. Lots of posts on it.
Someone on reddit was saying it may just be clomid and hated it so I wanted people than can vouch for empowers that it both works and feels different. I got hcg from them and it only gave me anxiety but I never got that from pregnyl. So wasn't sure but appreciate the replyI get mine from Empower. The stuff works. Why wouldn't it? They're a legit pharmacy.
$70 for 3 months = $0.78 per capsule. If that is correct, may I ask the clinic you're getting that prescribed from?Couple of things:
Another curious thing, and again, this is anecdotally and none should infer anything from it. Enclomipohene put my LH above the reference range, while FSH was high normal. In his case, Clomid put FSH well above the reference range while LH was high normal.
- Is Empower Enclomiphene legit? I have no reasons or evidence to think it's not. I've taken it, about $70 for 3 months (assuming 12.5mg every day)
- You are deciding between Clomid and Enclomiphene. Here's an anecdote. I've taken Enclomiphene for the good part of two years, it puts my total T well above the reference range in just 3 months at 12.5 mg ever day, even 3 times a week puts it close to 900, but my symptoms did not actually improve. I know of another person, much, much younger than me, that had very, very low T levels. He was put on Enclomiphene 12.5mg/day just like me, and after 3 months his T levels were only in the 300 (he was at 125 before) and he did not notice that any of his symptoms improved. Recently he switched doctors and the new one put him on Clomid (not sure the dosage) but he noticed two things: in 3 months his total T went from 120 to 550 ng/dL, but more importantly, his symptoms improved noticeably. He's noticed no side effects (mood, gyno, vision, etc) and he's very happy with the results. He's concerned about fertility too, being a young man.
So I'm not saying Clomid is better than Enclomiphene, simply relating the experience of two people. In both cases the enclomiphene was from Empower. His new clomid is from a compounding pharmacy in Florida I believe.
Thanks. That is ~27% cheaper than Defy's price for 12.5mg, I believe also sourced from Empower. I assume your doc isn't tacking on any profit.I'm sorry for the mistake. It's actually $150/3 months. And I have obtained the prescriptions from regular urologists (2 different ones). I have discussed with them the pros/cons, then agree on the prescription and they fax it to Empower. 2 hours later I received a call from empower to confirm the shipping and payment, 3 days later I get the medication. The reason I (incorrectly) said $70 is because I changed my frequency to 3 times a week, which actually reduced the effective cost to around $20 a month for me, but I still had to pay $150 for the 3 months. See Empower invoice below.
Notice that I'm not taking it anymore due to labs being "exceptionally well" but symptoms not really resolved.
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As far as i understand, no. If there’s any deal it might be a kick back behind the sceen. As a matter of fact, the last doctor that prescribed it for me does not typically prescribe Enclomiphene, he uses clomid instead, he did so at my request, so i do not think there’s anything going onThanks. That is ~27% cheaper than Defy's price for 12.5mg, I believe also sourced from Empower. I assume your doc isn't tacking on any profit.
None of the sexual symptoms. There was maybe an increase in wellbeing, perhaps less moodiness, but nothing to write home about. TT went up to 1138 ng/dL in about 3 months, but symptoms wise, nothing. In general, I could not say it did much in any senseWhat symptoms did you feel were not resolved?
sensitive nipples.Nothing else.Any side effects similar tyo clomiphene (i.e. ocular impairment)?
Not really, at least nothing significant, but I’m 60 years old.Did you observe any changes in body composition (fat loss, increase in lean mass)?
I tried Enclomiphene monotherapy at 12.5 mg/day, then 3 times a week, then combined with hCG. In general numbers improved with all treatments, but symproms not much. I felt better on hCG, at least my optimism was up, my sleep was better, my LUTS much better.Are you considering transitioning to straight TRT if you continue to not see results other than looking good on paper?
Thanks for the response. I am 63, with some issues (hypertension, past blood clot, sleep apnea) for which I am being treated and stable. Both TT and FT are less than optimal. I wanted to first try compounds that could help optimize T levels naturally so I started with herbal boosters and recently, kisspeptin-10. Not surprisingly, I didn't ever see any increase with the boosters, but the KS-10 did seem to somewhat improve my FT level but not much for TT. Due to my aforementioned health issues, I have always been hesitant to start straight TRT since it can make all those things worse. I had known of enclomiphene for several years, but waited to see more anecdotal reports from users like yourself. I finally decided to try it, being aware that, like you and many others, you look great on paper, but get nothing in terms of the subjective benefits. At least I can put down for the record that I tried it before making the jump to TRT, dosing to be very similar to yours.As far as i understand, no. If there’s any deal it might be a kick back behind the sceen. As a matter of fact, the last doctor that prescribed it for me does not typically prescribe Enclomiphene, he uses clomid instead, he did so at my request, so i do not think there’s anything going on
None of the sexual symptoms. There was maybe an increase in wellbeing, perhaps less moodiness, but nothing to write home about. TT went up to 1138 ng/dL in about 3 months, but symptoms wise, nothing. In general, I could not say it did much in any sense
sensitive nipples.Nothing else.
Not really, at least nothing significant, but I’m 60 years old.
I tried Enclomiphene monotherapy at 12.5 mg/day, then 3 times a week, then combines with hCG. In general numbers improved with all treatments, but symproms not much. I felt better on hCG, at least my optimism was up, my sleep was better, my LUTS much better.
I have transitioned to TRT currently 30mg M-W-F for a total of 90 mg/week of testosterone cypionate, sub-q. Just finished my third week so too early to tell, but so far some minor improvements in sensitivity and orgasm, so it’s encouraging. On the other side of the ledger, some anxiety affecting sleep and GERD, so far both are manageable.
Hope this helps
This is the same story of most people our age in this forum. At some point I had my paycheck deposited directly at the VitaminShoppe, then switched to Amazon, all for naught.Thanks for the response. I am 63, with some issues (hypertension, past blood clot, sleep apnea) for which I am being treated and stable. Both TT and FT are less than optimal. I wanted to first try compounds that could help optimize T levels naturally so I started with herbal boosters and recently, kisspeptin-10.
I understand, hypertension and blood clots are something to be concerned about with TRT.Not surprisingly, I didn't ever see any increase with the boosters, but the KS-10 did seem to somewhat improve my FT level but not much for TT. Due to my aforementioned health issues, I have always been hesitant to start straight TRT since it can make all those things worse.
Same here, are copying me? ;-)I had known of enclomiphene for several years, but waited to see more anecdotal reports from users like yourself. I finally decided to try it, being aware that, like you and many others, you look great on paper, but get nothing in terms of the subjective benefits. At least I can pout down for the record that I tried it before making the jump to TRT, dosing to be very similar to yours.
My story is more complex. I started with hCG, 2000IU/week in July 2021, in September I had the best two weeks of my post 50 year old life, in every sense, only to fade away after 2 weeks. I was on hCG for 2 more months, and then Empower Pharmacy stopped compounding hCG and i freaked out and quit cold turkey. My doctor put me on Enclomiphene 12.5 mg in January ‘22, after 3 months my total T was 768 (from 300) and at 6 months it was 1183 ng/dL, however, not much improvement. A bit more willing to workout, but nothing much. Then tendinitis started which I never had before (but I’d never been 58 before either).How long were you on enclomiphene and did you stop cold turkey and go immediately to TRT?
Nipples are now sensitive and frequently erect, areola is normal (no change) and not puffy. No gynecomastia. Estradiol goes up with both Enclomiphene and hCG simply because test goes up. It was never above 50 pg/ml, average was probably 35 or 40. My urologist was not concerned.You mentioned nipple sensitivity on enclomiphene. Did you see an spike in estradiol?
Nothing at the moment other than Cialis which I need for the prostate and vitamin D3/K2Are you using any other compounds, supplements, etc. that you feel are helping you?
Even though I may take risks with “supplements” I’m not one to take prescription medications for “potential” benefits. No UGL or “Indian” pharmacies either.(I have been on Metformin for a year now, taking it for anti-aging and many other benefits, not diabetic. But it reduced my T levels by 40% after a few months).
Yes, I do resistance training 4 times a week and walk 5 miles a day. I probably will reduce it to 3 times a week as my shoulders and elbows are killing me, and fill the other 2 days with rowing or light cardio.Do you resistance train several times/week?