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Testosterone Replacement, Low T, HCG, & Beyond
Testosterone Basics & Questions
Anyone tried testosterone base (no ester)?
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<blockquote data-quote="madman" data-source="post: 184599" data-attributes="member: 13851"><p>You missed the point I was trying to get across which is a fault on my part for not being specific enough.</p><p></p><p>When I stated:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">You are in no way mimicking the natural 24hr circadian rhythm of a healthy young male where levels peak in the early am and decline in the late afternoon/early evening.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Eugonadal!</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">Nothing natural about spiking your T levels once daily only to be<u> back to hypogonadal</u>.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">be<u> back to hypogonadal</u> <strong>(I meant suffer low-t symptoms).</strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p>I should have been more specific when I say eugonadal I mean having a healthy functioning hpta as oppose to a hypogonadal male (dysfunctional hpta).</p><p></p><p>During the natural 24hr circadian rhythm T levels peak in the early am and decline in the late afternoon/early evening.</p><p></p><p>During the trough low periods, these same healthy young males are not experiencing any low-t symptoms.</p><p></p><p>In your case, you have a dysfunctional hpta and suffer from low testosterone.</p><p></p><p>Most men would seek out trt and yes as I have stated numerous times over the years the goal of trt is to replace physiological levels through the use of exogenous T which results in relief/improvement of low-t symptoms and increased overall well-being while at the same time avoiding/minimizing and potential side-effects and keeping blood markers healthy long-term.</p><p></p><p>The majority of men would be on a protocol that would result in having healthy TT/FT levels throughout the week by keeping T levels stable and avoiding too low of a trough.</p><p></p><p>As you very well should know maintaining stable levels and minimizing the peak---> to trough can have a big impact on the overall effectiveness.</p><p></p><p>A large percentage of men are using intramuscular/subcutaneous injections using various injection protocol (once weekly, twice weekly, M/W/F, EOD, daily) and in no way are mimicking the natural 24hr circadian rhythm of a healthy young male.</p><p></p><p>Steady-state, many are running levels well into the supra-physiological range 24/7 let alone the hpta is shutdown.</p><p></p><p>The closest you could get to mimicking the natural 24hr circadian rhythm would be using the T patch or transdermal but again your hpta is still shutdown.</p><p></p><p>Top it off with the fact that when using exogenous T we are forcing levels upon ourselves that the body would never produce naturally.</p><p></p><p>Natural endogenous testosterone secretion is pulsatile and diurnal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The point I was trying to make is that there is nothing natural about spiking your T once daily only to end up back to being hypogonadal as in experiencing low-T symptoms as I feel that your protocol using an oil-based unesterified T injected once daily would not be optimal for relieving/improving low-t symptoms and overall well-being.</p><p></p><p>Doubtful anyone treating low-t symptoms would feel great overall spiking T levels once daily using an <u>oil-based unesterified T</u> which would most likely result in a short-lived peak only to end back to your very low natty T levels.</p><p></p><p>So how many hours during a 24hr period would your T levels be optimal?</p><p></p><p>Again on such protocol injecting an oil-based unesterified T your levels will most likely spike quickly and fall off fast.</p><p></p><p>As I stated earlier it would be a piss poor protocol to treat low-t symptoms let alone long-term.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="madman, post: 184599, member: 13851"] You missed the point I was trying to get across which is a fault on my part for not being specific enough. When I stated: [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]You are in no way mimicking the natural 24hr circadian rhythm of a healthy young male where levels peak in the early am and decline in the late afternoon/early evening. Eugonadal! Nothing natural about spiking your T levels once daily only to be[U] back to hypogonadal[/U]. be[U] back to hypogonadal[/U] [B](I meant suffer low-t symptoms).[/B][/COLOR] I should have been more specific when I say eugonadal I mean having a healthy functioning hpta as oppose to a hypogonadal male (dysfunctional hpta). During the natural 24hr circadian rhythm T levels peak in the early am and decline in the late afternoon/early evening. During the trough low periods, these same healthy young males are not experiencing any low-t symptoms. In your case, you have a dysfunctional hpta and suffer from low testosterone. Most men would seek out trt and yes as I have stated numerous times over the years the goal of trt is to replace physiological levels through the use of exogenous T which results in relief/improvement of low-t symptoms and increased overall well-being while at the same time avoiding/minimizing and potential side-effects and keeping blood markers healthy long-term. The majority of men would be on a protocol that would result in having healthy TT/FT levels throughout the week by keeping T levels stable and avoiding too low of a trough. As you very well should know maintaining stable levels and minimizing the peak---> to trough can have a big impact on the overall effectiveness. A large percentage of men are using intramuscular/subcutaneous injections using various injection protocol (once weekly, twice weekly, M/W/F, EOD, daily) and in no way are mimicking the natural 24hr circadian rhythm of a healthy young male. Steady-state, many are running levels well into the supra-physiological range 24/7 let alone the hpta is shutdown. The closest you could get to mimicking the natural 24hr circadian rhythm would be using the T patch or transdermal but again your hpta is still shutdown. Top it off with the fact that when using exogenous T we are forcing levels upon ourselves that the body would never produce naturally. Natural endogenous testosterone secretion is pulsatile and diurnal. The point I was trying to make is that there is nothing natural about spiking your T once daily only to end up back to being hypogonadal as in experiencing low-T symptoms as I feel that your protocol using an oil-based unesterified T injected once daily would not be optimal for relieving/improving low-t symptoms and overall well-being. Doubtful anyone treating low-t symptoms would feel great overall spiking T levels once daily using an [U]oil-based unesterified T[/U] which would most likely result in a short-lived peak only to end back to your very low natty T levels. So how many hours during a 24hr period would your T levels be optimal? Again on such protocol injecting an oil-based unesterified T your levels will most likely spike quickly and fall off fast. As I stated earlier it would be a piss poor protocol to treat low-t symptoms let alone long-term. [/QUOTE]
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