Anybody Else a Thyroid Med Non-Responder?

[Joey786]

You need to check out tiredthyroid.com. The best information I’ve seen on hypothyroidism treatment

 

[Joey786]

How much t4 were you taking with your t3?

 

[Joey786]

If you take too much t3 that can increase your rt3

 

[BarryAllan]

I am on a daily protocol, but it is of no help for symptoms. It makes my T levels great on paper, though. By that mean that I have all my Low T symptoms..low energy, low libido, inability to recover from exercise, etc.

Hmm how many different protocols have you tried?

I always believe the correct protocol is out there for everyone, some just need more time to find it than others.

 

[mcs]

RT3 should be <14-15, so you obviously have a pooling problem @ 20.4 there and that typical treatment is by adding T3 and I see you did that.

Take this up specifically with Dr Saya because it's not good or whatever you said that it was "fine".

According to the Tired Thyroid site, too much T3 can also shunt to rT3:
High Reverse T3 (rT3) Can be a Sign of Too Much T3

 

[Charliebizz]

Hmm how many different protocols have you tried?

I always believe the correct protocol is out there for everyone, some just need more time to find it than others.

correct protocol for what though. Trt alone or hrt. The body is so damn complex it’s not just as simple as taking a few hormones. I know for me anytime I touch a hormone. Be it cortisol,test,thyroid I get negative side effects. I’ve had way more success messing with nt drugs then hormones. Now that may fall under you ballon of “protocol” but hormones aren’t always to blame if if levels are low

 

[ERO]

No, it just feels like I am injecting water and swallowing sugar pills.

 

[Vtail]

If you take too much t3 that can increase your rt3

You mean too much T4, no?

 

[ERO]

Hmm how many different protocols have you tried?

I always believe the correct protocol is out there for everyone, some just need more time to find it than others.

I have been doing this for years and I have tried every protocol imaginable except for inject able pellets.

 

[Joey786]

You mean too much T4, no?

If the body has too much t3 it will increase conversion of t4 to rt3 to protect itself. Read tired thyroid.com

 

[Joey786]

Taking t3 without t4 to lower rt3 is not physiologic. Just take a lower dose of t3 with your t4

 

[ERO]

I am just doing what Defy is telling me to do at this point, but I will definitely bring that up at my next consult.

 

[evansjamesk]

You should try Armour Thyroid. It was used for decades before Big Pharma convinced doctors that only Synthroid should be used. I'm hypothyroid and so is my wife. She didn't respond to levothyroxine and was miserable. With Armour Thyroid (a prescription med made of dessicated pig thyroid) she does fine. I have no problem with levothyroxine myself.

 

[ERO]

I would love to try that as synthetic T3 and T4 in any combo, or just T3 alone, and in small to very large dosages have done absolutely nothing for me over the last couple of years that I have been taking it. Just a waste of money, unfortunately.

 

[CROM]

My TSH is 5.54 or something like that. It’s always high when I am dieting. My RT3 is 30 (very high) right now because I am dieting. My T3 and T4 are always in normal range.

Despite high TSH, I actually feel like a million bucks when I am on a low carb diet/keto and when I get at least 7 to 8 hours of sleep. I also have low SHBG of 9. Although TRT does help me, I only inject 70mg per week. More than that gives me too many sides like acne, high E2, DHT, HCT etc.

Are you getting sleep? Personally I often use sleep meds cuz of insomnia. Have you tried a keto/low carb diet?

 

[ERO]

I do get 7 hours of decent sleep every night. A bit of CBD oil before bed helps me sleep better as well.

I feel like I have Low T and hypo-thyroid no matter what protocol I am on. Low energy, low libido, sore muscles, usually cold, can't build any muscle or loose any fat, a bit of brain fog.

 

[BarryAllan]

I do get 7 hours of decent sleep every night. A bit of CBD oil before bed helps me sleep better as well.

I feel like I have Low T and hypo-thyroid no matter what protocol I am on. Low energy, low libido, sore muscles, usually cold, can't build any muscle or loose any fat, a bit of brain fog.

Would you mind detailing every protocol you've tried?

Have there been some protocols better than others?

Ever considered dopamine problems?

 

[Joey786]

My TSH is 5.54 or something like that. It’s always high when I am dieting. My RT3 is 30 (very high) right now because I am dieting. My T3 and T4 are always in normal range.

Despite high TSH, I actually feel like a million bucks when I am on a low carb diet/keto and when I get at least 7 to 8 hours of sleep. I also have low SHBG of 9. Although TRT does help me, I only inject 70mg per week. More than that gives me too many sides like acne, high E2, DHT, HCT etc.

Are you getting sleep? Personally I often use sleep meds cuz of insomnia. Have you tried a keto/low carb diet?

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What are you taking right now?

 

[ERO]

Would you mind detailing every protocol you've tried?

Have there been some protocols better than others?

Ever considered dopamine problems?

I have literally tried everything except Test pellets. Cypionaye, Enanthate, Propionate, twice weekly, three times weekly, daily...it all feels like I am injecting water. Also tried topical by itself and with shots. No difference.

 

[BarryAllan]

I have literally tried everything except Test pellets. Cypionaye, Enanthate, Propionate, twice weekly, three times weekly, daily...it all feels like I am injecting water. Also tried topical by itself and with shots. No difference.

So not a modicum of change? No point in time where you had at least a little libido or signs that you possibly could get this right?

Have you considered Wellbutrin and selegiline, the dopamine agonists of the world?