Very average orgasms and low amount of ejaculate volume

[KenLowT]

Ive only ever had compounded and it's always been little more than injecting water. Sure my nuts are shrunken up but beyond that I have no tangible benefit of HCG and I've used 500iu 3xW, to 100iu daily and everything in between.

I agree, I'm only taking it for fertility purposes. I want to make sure I have swimmers as my wife and I are trying.

 

[Vince Carter]

I meant are NOT shrunken up

 

[stx359]

Oh the contrary my friend. These are all objective observations, not subjective. My testicles were almost double the size when on PREGNYL. My DHEA was about double. Around 400 on Empower HCG, and also when tested while on nothing. When on Pregnyl, DHEA hovered around 700-800. Have multiple, multiple blood tests to prove this. So not subjective. The extra 600 points in total T when on Pregnyl, vs no addition, or very very little, to my total T while on Empower’s HCG not subjective. Ejaculate volume is the only thing that could be considered subjective, but trust me, it was noticeabley more, no doubt about it. Either way, there’s no denying the other evidence. And it’s not like I had just one or two blood tests done. My insurance covers my blood work 100%, so I have so many blood works to reference it’s not even funny.

Not trying to argue or attack your opinion. I respect your opinion, as I do everyone’s on this forum. But trust me Vince, I wouldn’t make claims like this without having substantial evidence to back it up.

I have to concur with GMan on this one. My Pregnyl experience is backed up by significant TT increases on labs.

FYI. Because of this thread I checked with my local pharmacy and as luck would have it they now have Pregnyl on the shelf again. I very happily ordered a refill.

 

[Vince Carter]

I have to concur with GMan on this one. My Pregnyl experience is backed up by significant TT increases on labs.

FYI. Because of this thread I checked with my local pharmacy and as luck would have it they now have Pregnyl on the shelf again. I very happily ordered a refill.

DO you know by chance if you're primary or secondary hypogonadal>?

 

[Gman86]

I also use a relatively small dose of hcg. I inject 250iu twice weekly. This has proven enough to maintain the fullness and size of my testicles. It never occurred to me to increase the dose beyond that amount. I was getting what I needed so no reason to change.

What brand of HCG do you use? Is it from a local compounding pharmacy? Your testicles are the same size as they were prior to TRT. If you're keeping fullness on 500iu/ week, maybe instead of considering dropping my HCG, I can just lower it from 1000iu to 500iu/ week.

 

[Gman86]

I have to concur with GMan on this one. My Pregnyl experience is backed up by significant TT increases on labs.

FYI. Because of this thread I checked with my local pharmacy and as luck would have it they now have Pregnyl on the shelf again. I very happily ordered a refill.

Good to hear about Pregnyl getting back in stock. I also know of a local pharmacy that has it, but they charge $150 for a 10,000iu bottle. So not only is it more expensive than Empower's HCG, and also more than what I was getting Pregnyl for at CVS, but I'm worried about it becoming OUT OF STOCK again. It's just hard to get dialed in having to go from Pregnyl, to Empower, and back to Pregnyl. While on Pregnyl, it increases my total T by a bunch, while Empower I get very little to no increase. So my testosterone and E2 numbers are just so much different on Pregnyl and Empower's HCG, that it makes it pretty much impossible to get dialed in while going back and forth between them. I just made the decision to stick with Empower, due to it being so cheap, and knowing I can always get it. Just sucks it's not increasing the downstream hormones, keeping my testicles nice and plump and increasing ejaculate volume like Pregnyl does. The increase in testosterone I couldn't care less about, that I can just get from upping my testosterone dosage.

 

[Gman86]

I agree, I'm only taking it for fertility purposes. I want to make sure I have swimmers as my wife and I are trying.

The only thing that concerns me is that if you're testicles aren't nice and plump, if you're not getting an increase in total T from it, and it doesn't seem to be backfilling any downstream hormones, do you ever wonder if it's not doing it's job as far as increasing fertility? It's just something that I wonder personally. If my testicles don't seem to be receiving or responding to the LH signal, I just wonder if the slight FSH signal HCG is supposed to be sending isn't doing it's job either.

 

[stx359]

DO you know by chance if you're primary or secondary hypogonadal>?

I am very embarrassed to say that I never found out. The testosterone mill I resorted to did not test for FSH/LH which I regret now. I very much wish that I had known. I just had terrible low T symptoms, several tests of Total T around 400 and a Free T of five. Would my response to HCG be indicative of anything?

 

[stx359]

DO you know by chance if you're primary or secondary hypogonadal>?

I should say though that I had large well developed bilateral varicoceles that required surgical removal so I assumed, rightly or wrongly, that they caused damage which led to primary hypogonadism.

 

[Gman86]

I am very embarrassed to say that I never found out. The testosterone mill I resorted to did not test for FSH/LH which I regret now. I very much wish that I had known. I just had terrible low T symptoms, several tests of Total T around 400 and a Free T of five. Would my response to HCG be indicative of anything?

From my understanding yes. A guy that is primary would not get much of a jump in total T on HCG or clomid. So if you did get a jump in total T while on Pregnyl, I would say that it’s safe to assume you are secondary. I myself am not primary or secondary. My pituitary put out LH and FSH just fine, and my testicles reacted to LH and FSH just fine. My total T was 600-700 prior to TRT. My problem was that my SHBG was high and was leaving me with very little free T.

Your total T was pretty low, and you reacted quite well to Pregnyl, so I would say you’re not primary, and you’re not in my situation. So I think it’s safe to assume you’re secondary.

 

[Vince Carter]

I am very embarrassed to say that I never found out. The testosterone mill I resorted to did not test for FSH/LH which I regret now. I very much wish that I had known. I just had terrible low T symptoms, several tests of Total T around 400 and a Free T of five. Would my response to HCG be indicative of anything?

If you were having a substantial end T response through HCG use you could reasonably assume that a guy would be secondary. If primary it would be an assumption that the testes being the problem that there wouldn't be much if anything to be gained through stim of the testes via HCG (or Clomid)

 

[Rockyo317]

Maybe we are onto something? I’m 57 and I also don’t watch porn. I’d much rather save myself for real sex. My only sexual issue is a long refractory period. Both physically and mentally. I’m really good going twice a week.

The more sex you have and the more masterbation whatever you do in the room is good for you as much as possible they say!! it's very healthy because it cleans out the prostate and it helps you from getting any kind of Prostate Problems! Its ealthy no matter if you are with your other half or you're masturbating to p*** it's good to keep that stufg flowing and clean it out as much as Possible it's healthy Especially as we get older

 

[Vince]

The more sex you have and the more masterbation whatever you do in the room is good for you as much as possible they say!! it's very healthy because it cleans out the prostate and it helps you from getting any kind of Prostate Problems! Its ealthy no matter if you are with your other half or you're masturbating to p*** it's good to keep that stufg flowing and clean it out as much as Possible it's healthy Especially as we get older

I heard that before, oh I hope it's true. Because then I would have an awesome prostate.

 

[Tommy Wall]

Aren´t there some supplements that can increase the load? Like zinc or something?

 

[Vince]

Aren´t there some supplements that can increase the load? Like zinc or something?

I wish there was. I supplement with zinc balance. I know good levels of Coq10 helps your swimmers. Which I do supplement with, at a very high dose. Still nothing has increased by volume.

 

[masfield]

this is the go-to thread on increasing zee load:
Holy Grail of Cum Load Increase - Thunder's Place

i've done as suggested and the supplements do work ... at least they do when i manage to be able to come, which ain't often, though i'm working on it.

 

[MarcoFL]

I cannot speak to volume of load but will say the Gains Wave treatment along with the P shot will have you very happy you went in for the treatment! I am 56 and married 36yrs was blown away with results. I am on my 4 treatment of 6.

 

[masfield]

expensive as hell, though. i'd rather spend that kind of money on ketamine treatments and *really* get blown away .

 

[StepbyStep]

For what it's worth,

Test cyp only: Poor orgasms, low volume
HCG Mono: Poor orgasms, high volume
Test Cyp/HCG: Good orgasms, high volume

Overall on HRT my orgasms are less intense, but for the most part they're good now on Test and HCG together. Even at 500iu EOD of Pregnyl HCG, my volume is above average. This has been confirmed at my past two semen analysis, and from my own opinion. HCG is necessary for good orgasms and sensation for me too IMO.

On HCG mono, I think the poor TT to e2 ratio blunted my orgasms. At TT 600 and e2 at 38 my orgasms felt like a weak sneeze. At TT 1200 and e2 38, my orgasms are much better on my current protocols.

 

[Srh1968]

Has anyone used a product called Ball refill? It claims to help with volume. If so, would it hurt to take this being on TRT? Would this cause my next labs to be altered? I did try the Holy grail with minimum results,,,,,