Hi everyone,
I am posting utilizing a format that they use over at T-Nation, I'm not aware of politics between the two boards so sorry if I am stepping on anyone's toes, I certainly don't mean to, you can scroll down to the blood work if you want, otherwise the other data here just provides health history and context.
**-age** : 27 , 28 in January
**-height** 5' 7"
**-waist** 30 inches
**-weight** 170 lbs
**-describe body and facial hair** Have had a full beard since I was 21, medium arm and body hair otherwise. (Voice is low if that matters)
**-describe where you carry fat and how changed** Carry fat around my stomach, love handles, and chest--I've always had to eat ridiculously healthy to maintain a healthy body-fat, eating even one week of "normal food" i.e. the food others my age eat will destroy any abdominal/chest definition at once.
**-health conditions, symptoms [history]** : Currently the worst symptom is ED--I still feel "horny" once or twice a day (a bit less than normal but nothing drastic), but I can't get and/or maintain erections with sex with my gf (we have an otherwise loving relationship and I'm attracted to her). I've had ED issues to some extent since I was 18 (nearly 10 years), but they have gotten progressively worse over time. I also have been having a harder time sleeping through the night over the last 2-3 years, and I feel less motivated and more "moody" overall. I've struggled with minor depression and anxiety in the past, but I've always self managed through nutrition (I love the superfood supplement "green vibrance), meditation, exercise, and my own musical outlets. That's to say the seasonal depression (SAD) or otherwise environmental depression I sometimes get feels different than my current symptoms which have been more along the lines of crying more easily, getting angry disproportionately easily etc. On a scale from 1 (no symptoms ) to 10 (crippling symptoms) I'd rank my ED symptoms an 8/10, my sleep symptoms a 4/10 and my mood symptoms a 6/10.
**-Rx and OTC drugs, any hair loss drugs or prostate drugs ever**
Non Hormone related: I was prescribed xanax as needed to fly, I hardly have ever needed it.
I have no "allergies" but I felt horrible once on tramadol so I was advised to list this.
OTC drugs: from 18-22 y/o I took natural sports supplements like creatine, glutamine, bcaa, vitamins and low-caffeine pre-workout powders. I currently don't drink caffeine because I don't handle it well (way , way , way too hyper when I drink it--36 hours no sleep on a cup of tea--although within 3-4 days I tolerate it well). I drink green vibrance which is a whole food green superfood supplement (all organic). I also used to take my own pre workout mix which had arginine, taurine, glutamine, creatine, bcaa powder, l-citruline malate, green tea, and beta alanine. I don't currently take this.
Hormone related Rx history:
1.I saw a dr. at 18 and got tested at 250 ng/dl with a range around 200-850 ng/dl (this was 10 years ago).
2. He referred me to a urologist who ran the total T test again and got something in the 600 ng/dl range with the same 200-850 reference range (going on memory here but it was close to that). So the urologist sent me on my way no help offered for my symptoms which were primarily ED (I could get hard but not stay hard) other than the offer of Viagra --which I turned down. He said to come back if things got worse.
3.So I lived with the symptoms for a while and maybe a year and a half or two years later came back at age 20 presenting the same symptoms. He retested and said I was in the "low-normal range," for total testosterone levels. He prescribed a pill called Clomid , one pill every 2 days-- I think it was a 25 mg pill? I came back a month later and he said the tests still showed "low-normal" testosterone so he offered me hcg injectiions.
4. I did 3x a week hcg injections for 6 weeks with a small skinny needle in my stomach, I forget the exact dose--I want to say 400 units each time x3 a week.
5. After this 6 weeks we retested and again he said I was in the "low-normal range" again, not sure the exact numbers there but we know the 600 ng/dl test was "normal" in his words--so presumably lower than this.
6. I was sent on my way and offered viagra again--he said he couldn't give me T at my age (again, I was 20 by this time)--but said I would probably need a T cream or gel when I got older. I turned down the viagra as I'm a pro musician as well and have always been fearful of the potential hearing loss side effects, and to be (embarrassingly) honest, I didn't have anyone to have sex with at the time anyhow!
7. Fast forward to today (another 8 years later) As symptoms have worsened I went to see a new doctor who tested a few standard labs and read **only** my total testosterone in terms of hormones, after this I arranged my own tests for a wider array of labs at the suggestion of Defy medical who I am hopefully going to work with soon. Below are my lab results from the past week or two (two sets of dates--first from my PCP and second--a few days later by the same lab on the order of Defy). Above them are my best memories of testosterone data from younger in life.
*No hair loss supplements or other prescriptions other than retin-a for acne when I was younger with doxycycline (12 years old).
**-lab results with ranges**:
Total Testosterone at 18 (10 years ago): mid 200s ng/dl reference range 200-850 ng/dl (around this +-20 ng/dl)
Total Testosterone at 18 retest a few weeks later: mid 600s ng/dl reference range 200-850 ng/dl
Total Testosterone age 20 "low-normal" and continued to be "low-normal" in doctors words throughout clomid and hcg therapy. (Sorry for the lack of exact #'s here--this is provided for general reference only)
Recent labs (taken within a few days of each other)--exact #s with ranges (again, above was only from memory for reference, as a scientist I am dissapointed by this , but the #s I provided above I believe to be very close).
First set done by PCP: (Taken early morning)
CBC,Platelet,Auto DIff (ASAP)
Test nam ;Result Unit Range
WBC: 4.8 K/uL 4.0-9.8
RBC 5.07 M/uL 4.47-5.92
Hgb 15.4 g/dl 13.3-17.4
Hct 45.1 % 39.5-50.0
MCV 89.0 fL 79.2-93.7
MCH 30.4 pg 27.2-32.4
MCHC 34.1 g/dl 31.4-36.2
Plt 210 K/uL 151-362
RDW 13.2 % 11.6-13.9
MPV 10.7 fL 8.5-11.9
%Neut 39.9 % 43.0-73.8 Flag: Low
%Ly 45.4 % 17.0-43.9 Flag: High
%Mo 13.0 % 4.6-13.0
%Eo 1.5 % 0.0-4.5
%Ba 0.2 % 0.0-1.0
%Neut 1.9 K/uL 1.3-6.5
#Ly 2.2 K/uL 1.0-2.9
#Mo 0.6 K/uL 0.3-0.9
#Eo 0.1 K/uL 0.0-0.3
#Ba 0.0 K/ul 0.0-0.1
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TSH, High Sensitivity 1.567 uIU/mL 0.550-4.780
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Testosterone Total serum 491 ng/dL 87-814 (early morning)
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Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Sodium 140 nmol/L 133-143
Potassium 4.1 nmol/L 3.5-5.0
Chloride 104 nmol/L 98-108
CO2 29 nmol/L 22-30
BUN 15 mg/dL 7-22
Creatinine 0.91 mg/dL 0.70-1.30
Calcium 9.9 mg/dL 8.6-10.5
Glucose 131 mg/dL 70-99 Flag: High (But I did not fast first and dr said that was expected)
Albumin 4.8 g/dL 3.5-5.0
Alkaline Phosphatase 69 U/L 32-126
ALT 26 U/L 10-52
AST 20 U/L 14-40
Bilirubin Total 2.4 mg/dk <1.5 Flag High (ran bilirubin direct after which PCP said was fine, my family all have high bilirubin as well)
Total Protein 7.5 g/dL 6.4-8.3
Est GFR, African American >60 mL/min/1>60 .73sqM
Est GFR, non African American >60 mL/min/1>60 .73sqM
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Bilirubin Direct 0.4 mg/dL <0.3 Flag: High (Dr said don't worry unless over 0.6; Bilirubin high in my family)
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FOLLOWING tests taken 3 days later on order of Defy medical
Lipid Panel:
Cholesterol 130 mg/dl <200
Triglycerides 53 mg/dl <150
HDL 47 mg/dl >40.0
Calculated LDL 72 mg/dl 0-99
Tot Chol/hdl 2.8 <4.5
non HDL cholesterol 83 mg/dl <130
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DHEA-Sulfate 277 mcg/dL 80-560
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(second test) Testosterone serum: 536 (491 tested three days earlier in morning) ng/dl 87-814
%Free Test 1.93 % 0.9-2.8
Free* Test 10.34 ng/dL 1.74-15.20
SHBG 38.5 nmol/L 10-57
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LH 4.2 mIU/ml Males 20-70 years 1.5-9.3
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PSA 0.64 ng/ml <4.00
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IGF1 149 ng/mL 83.6-259
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Estradiol ultra sensitive: 14.2 pg/mL Male <11.8-39.8
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In addition here were my recent vitals from my PCP:
Blood pressure : 120/70 (This is normal for me, between 115/68 and 128/72)
Pulse: 76 (resting is lower, this is normal for the day)
SpO2 98%
Temperature 97.0 (more on this below, I usually run cold)
I know you all will want more with temperature to access thyroid functionality. I am often around 97.0-97.5 in the morning, and later in the day I will *sometimes* be a bit hotter, but for the most part I stay under 98 at all times. I've always ran a lower temperature my whole life often in the mid 97's no matter what time of the day I take my temperature.
I'd be happy to provide specifics on diet and training but essentially I work out on average 2-3 times a week cardio+ weights, and eat a very clean 4-5 small meal diet with plenty of water rich in veggies, healthy fats, lean meats (poultry/wild game) and organic food when I can afford it.
My ED problems also are *slightly* better first thing in the morning --where I can almost get hard if I have heavy stimulation--and slightly better right after the gym. Any other time and it's non existent in terms of erectile function--I can't even masturbate in the evening to orgasm--other-times I can masturbate to orgasm with a semi-erect or flaccid penis.
I also use iodized salt at least relatively regularly (though I limit sodium in general) so I don't think this is an iodine deficiency.
I'm sure the folks at Defy will have some advice when I have my consult, I'm just curious what the community thinks given my symptoms, bloodwork, and previous history with symptoms and two (seemingly common) treatments that I've gone through to boost hormones.
Thanks!
I am posting utilizing a format that they use over at T-Nation, I'm not aware of politics between the two boards so sorry if I am stepping on anyone's toes, I certainly don't mean to, you can scroll down to the blood work if you want, otherwise the other data here just provides health history and context.
**-age** : 27 , 28 in January
**-height** 5' 7"
**-waist** 30 inches
**-weight** 170 lbs
**-describe body and facial hair** Have had a full beard since I was 21, medium arm and body hair otherwise. (Voice is low if that matters)
**-describe where you carry fat and how changed** Carry fat around my stomach, love handles, and chest--I've always had to eat ridiculously healthy to maintain a healthy body-fat, eating even one week of "normal food" i.e. the food others my age eat will destroy any abdominal/chest definition at once.
**-health conditions, symptoms [history]** : Currently the worst symptom is ED--I still feel "horny" once or twice a day (a bit less than normal but nothing drastic), but I can't get and/or maintain erections with sex with my gf (we have an otherwise loving relationship and I'm attracted to her). I've had ED issues to some extent since I was 18 (nearly 10 years), but they have gotten progressively worse over time. I also have been having a harder time sleeping through the night over the last 2-3 years, and I feel less motivated and more "moody" overall. I've struggled with minor depression and anxiety in the past, but I've always self managed through nutrition (I love the superfood supplement "green vibrance), meditation, exercise, and my own musical outlets. That's to say the seasonal depression (SAD) or otherwise environmental depression I sometimes get feels different than my current symptoms which have been more along the lines of crying more easily, getting angry disproportionately easily etc. On a scale from 1 (no symptoms ) to 10 (crippling symptoms) I'd rank my ED symptoms an 8/10, my sleep symptoms a 4/10 and my mood symptoms a 6/10.
**-Rx and OTC drugs, any hair loss drugs or prostate drugs ever**
Non Hormone related: I was prescribed xanax as needed to fly, I hardly have ever needed it.
I have no "allergies" but I felt horrible once on tramadol so I was advised to list this.
OTC drugs: from 18-22 y/o I took natural sports supplements like creatine, glutamine, bcaa, vitamins and low-caffeine pre-workout powders. I currently don't drink caffeine because I don't handle it well (way , way , way too hyper when I drink it--36 hours no sleep on a cup of tea--although within 3-4 days I tolerate it well). I drink green vibrance which is a whole food green superfood supplement (all organic). I also used to take my own pre workout mix which had arginine, taurine, glutamine, creatine, bcaa powder, l-citruline malate, green tea, and beta alanine. I don't currently take this.
Hormone related Rx history:
1.I saw a dr. at 18 and got tested at 250 ng/dl with a range around 200-850 ng/dl (this was 10 years ago).
2. He referred me to a urologist who ran the total T test again and got something in the 600 ng/dl range with the same 200-850 reference range (going on memory here but it was close to that). So the urologist sent me on my way no help offered for my symptoms which were primarily ED (I could get hard but not stay hard) other than the offer of Viagra --which I turned down. He said to come back if things got worse.
3.So I lived with the symptoms for a while and maybe a year and a half or two years later came back at age 20 presenting the same symptoms. He retested and said I was in the "low-normal range," for total testosterone levels. He prescribed a pill called Clomid , one pill every 2 days-- I think it was a 25 mg pill? I came back a month later and he said the tests still showed "low-normal" testosterone so he offered me hcg injectiions.
4. I did 3x a week hcg injections for 6 weeks with a small skinny needle in my stomach, I forget the exact dose--I want to say 400 units each time x3 a week.
5. After this 6 weeks we retested and again he said I was in the "low-normal range" again, not sure the exact numbers there but we know the 600 ng/dl test was "normal" in his words--so presumably lower than this.
6. I was sent on my way and offered viagra again--he said he couldn't give me T at my age (again, I was 20 by this time)--but said I would probably need a T cream or gel when I got older. I turned down the viagra as I'm a pro musician as well and have always been fearful of the potential hearing loss side effects, and to be (embarrassingly) honest, I didn't have anyone to have sex with at the time anyhow!
7. Fast forward to today (another 8 years later) As symptoms have worsened I went to see a new doctor who tested a few standard labs and read **only** my total testosterone in terms of hormones, after this I arranged my own tests for a wider array of labs at the suggestion of Defy medical who I am hopefully going to work with soon. Below are my lab results from the past week or two (two sets of dates--first from my PCP and second--a few days later by the same lab on the order of Defy). Above them are my best memories of testosterone data from younger in life.
*No hair loss supplements or other prescriptions other than retin-a for acne when I was younger with doxycycline (12 years old).
**-lab results with ranges**:
Total Testosterone at 18 (10 years ago): mid 200s ng/dl reference range 200-850 ng/dl (around this +-20 ng/dl)
Total Testosterone at 18 retest a few weeks later: mid 600s ng/dl reference range 200-850 ng/dl
Total Testosterone age 20 "low-normal" and continued to be "low-normal" in doctors words throughout clomid and hcg therapy. (Sorry for the lack of exact #'s here--this is provided for general reference only)
Recent labs (taken within a few days of each other)--exact #s with ranges (again, above was only from memory for reference, as a scientist I am dissapointed by this , but the #s I provided above I believe to be very close).
First set done by PCP: (Taken early morning)
CBC,Platelet,Auto DIff (ASAP)
Test nam ;Result Unit Range
WBC: 4.8 K/uL 4.0-9.8
RBC 5.07 M/uL 4.47-5.92
Hgb 15.4 g/dl 13.3-17.4
Hct 45.1 % 39.5-50.0
MCV 89.0 fL 79.2-93.7
MCH 30.4 pg 27.2-32.4
MCHC 34.1 g/dl 31.4-36.2
Plt 210 K/uL 151-362
RDW 13.2 % 11.6-13.9
MPV 10.7 fL 8.5-11.9
%Neut 39.9 % 43.0-73.8 Flag: Low
%Ly 45.4 % 17.0-43.9 Flag: High
%Mo 13.0 % 4.6-13.0
%Eo 1.5 % 0.0-4.5
%Ba 0.2 % 0.0-1.0
%Neut 1.9 K/uL 1.3-6.5
#Ly 2.2 K/uL 1.0-2.9
#Mo 0.6 K/uL 0.3-0.9
#Eo 0.1 K/uL 0.0-0.3
#Ba 0.0 K/ul 0.0-0.1
--
TSH, High Sensitivity 1.567 uIU/mL 0.550-4.780
--
Testosterone Total serum 491 ng/dL 87-814 (early morning)
---
Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Sodium 140 nmol/L 133-143
Potassium 4.1 nmol/L 3.5-5.0
Chloride 104 nmol/L 98-108
CO2 29 nmol/L 22-30
BUN 15 mg/dL 7-22
Creatinine 0.91 mg/dL 0.70-1.30
Calcium 9.9 mg/dL 8.6-10.5
Glucose 131 mg/dL 70-99 Flag: High (But I did not fast first and dr said that was expected)
Albumin 4.8 g/dL 3.5-5.0
Alkaline Phosphatase 69 U/L 32-126
ALT 26 U/L 10-52
AST 20 U/L 14-40
Bilirubin Total 2.4 mg/dk <1.5 Flag High (ran bilirubin direct after which PCP said was fine, my family all have high bilirubin as well)
Total Protein 7.5 g/dL 6.4-8.3
Est GFR, African American >60 mL/min/1>60 .73sqM
Est GFR, non African American >60 mL/min/1>60 .73sqM
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Bilirubin Direct 0.4 mg/dL <0.3 Flag: High (Dr said don't worry unless over 0.6; Bilirubin high in my family)
----
FOLLOWING tests taken 3 days later on order of Defy medical
Lipid Panel:
Cholesterol 130 mg/dl <200
Triglycerides 53 mg/dl <150
HDL 47 mg/dl >40.0
Calculated LDL 72 mg/dl 0-99
Tot Chol/hdl 2.8 <4.5
non HDL cholesterol 83 mg/dl <130
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DHEA-Sulfate 277 mcg/dL 80-560
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(second test) Testosterone serum: 536 (491 tested three days earlier in morning) ng/dl 87-814
%Free Test 1.93 % 0.9-2.8
Free* Test 10.34 ng/dL 1.74-15.20
SHBG 38.5 nmol/L 10-57
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LH 4.2 mIU/ml Males 20-70 years 1.5-9.3
-----
PSA 0.64 ng/ml <4.00
-----
IGF1 149 ng/mL 83.6-259
-----
Estradiol ultra sensitive: 14.2 pg/mL Male <11.8-39.8
----
In addition here were my recent vitals from my PCP:
Blood pressure : 120/70 (This is normal for me, between 115/68 and 128/72)
Pulse: 76 (resting is lower, this is normal for the day)
SpO2 98%
Temperature 97.0 (more on this below, I usually run cold)
I know you all will want more with temperature to access thyroid functionality. I am often around 97.0-97.5 in the morning, and later in the day I will *sometimes* be a bit hotter, but for the most part I stay under 98 at all times. I've always ran a lower temperature my whole life often in the mid 97's no matter what time of the day I take my temperature.
I'd be happy to provide specifics on diet and training but essentially I work out on average 2-3 times a week cardio+ weights, and eat a very clean 4-5 small meal diet with plenty of water rich in veggies, healthy fats, lean meats (poultry/wild game) and organic food when I can afford it.
My ED problems also are *slightly* better first thing in the morning --where I can almost get hard if I have heavy stimulation--and slightly better right after the gym. Any other time and it's non existent in terms of erectile function--I can't even masturbate in the evening to orgasm--other-times I can masturbate to orgasm with a semi-erect or flaccid penis.
I also use iodized salt at least relatively regularly (though I limit sodium in general) so I don't think this is an iodine deficiency.
I'm sure the folks at Defy will have some advice when I have my consult, I'm just curious what the community thinks given my symptoms, bloodwork, and previous history with symptoms and two (seemingly common) treatments that I've gone through to boost hormones.
Thanks!
