2nd week-feeling bad and confused

[isufish24]

Guys,

Labs below. I’m new to the cite but looking for some help. I am currently on week 2 of TRT. I battled with this decision for several years. 3 years ago I had a TT of 359 at age 33. Now 36, I had my labs done and I’m at 602 but my free test is at 13. My SHBG is also high and estradiol on the higher end of normal according to my doc. The first week I didn’t take my protocol correctly. My protocol is below. But on my first injection day I took 200mg of Test cypionate, 500IU of HCG, 1mg Arimidex and 25mg of Stanozanol-Winstrol (taking to lower my SHBG as prescribed). Day 1 to 4 I felt terrible. Very anxious, heart was racing fast and then lots of bloat. My notes below. After talking to my doctor after being very worried, he told me to take my shot, then two days following the 1mg of AI, then last two days after 500IU of HCG to boost my natural test to smooth out the levels and prevent a crash. This week was my second shot and I’m very worried. My left chest and arm have been hurting. I’ve never had heart issues but I feel like I have them now. I have had pain and itching/burning in my chest and shoulder left side. I have no nipple sensitivity. Also my libido is very LOW since starting TRT and my erectile function is poor. Elections are not hard so basically I’m worse that before I started. I started because I didn’t feel energized, lowish Libido, and average sex drive. My focus and recovery was also very low. The only positive I’ve noticed is do seem to have more energy and not crashing as hard. However last Friday I crashed hard and took a long nap in the middle of my workday. I should also mention that I use nicotine lozenges as I was a long time dipper that exercised and ate very healthy but that was my one vice that I had trouble quitting so I have been using nicotine mints for quite some time. I have never had BP or heart issues using these mints in the past.
Where I’m confused is that I have read on Excel so many places that too much AI is an issue and has nasty side effects but I’m not sure what is causing my bad well being. My doc told me the bloat is from too much estrogen but this feeling in my chest is scaring me. The anxiety sucks. I almost want to quit this and go back to being an average 600 guy which lacked energy etc. this feels terrible. Any advice? I feel like I may have made a bad mistake.....

 

[isufish24]

Here is my daily log of how I’m feeling.

12/29- 200mg TRT, 500IU HCG, 1mg AI, 25mg stanzanol, (fast heart rate, anxiety)

12/30-stanzanol (heart racing, chest felt heavy, anxiety, high HR)

12/31-1mg arimidex same as day before

1/1-500IU HCG less anxiety feeling a bit better, very bloated uncomfortable and chest painful

1/2-1mg AI-feeling very bloated (spoke to Dr Mondell and he told me to take 200Mg Test Cypionate, 3 days following 1mg Arimidex, final two days take 500IU HCG, stanzanol daily

1/3 feel better

1/4-feeling better

1/5-200 mg test cypionate, heart and left chest uncomfortable, feel anxious comes and goes

1/6-pain in left chest and arm but not sudden

1/7-same as day before, 7:00 feeling much better.

 

[isufish24]

Here are more lab pics that wouldn’t attach in original post.

 

[isufish24]

Here are more lab pics that wouldn’t attach in original post.

 

[Ronnny]

are you taking 200mg/week?

 

[isufish24]

are you taking 200mg/week?

I should have been more clear 200mg/1ML/1cc Test Cypionate per week one IM Injection

 

[Ronnny]

Here are more lab pics that wouldn’t attach in original post.

I see only your CBC and CMP lab result. What is your current TT and FT/

 

[fifty]

That's a hell of a starting protocol...a lot of stuff taken to start with. You said you didn't take your protocol correctly the first week. What was it supposed to be? It's confusing what you're doing and what your protocol is supposed to be.

 

[isufish24]

My protocol was:

200mg Test cyp once a week
The 3 days following Injection 1mg Arimidex
5 days after injection 500IU HCG back to back days in a row
Daily stanzonale 25mg

I just messed up the order not the amounts. I took the AI and HCG the same day as the first injection. Clearly 200mg and Stanozole is too much for me. I have no clue how bodybuilders take physiological doses at 500+. Seems crazy.

Sorry I posted all my labs in pictures. Attached a few shots of labs again.

TT 602
FT 13
SHBG 62.2

I spoke to my doc today and I’m going to lower my dose to 100mg once a week. Also drop stanozole completely. Keep AI the same and keep HCG the same. He thinks I’m experiencing high hematocrit and hemoglobin levels. I have all the signs: high blood pressure, chest pressure, arm pressure and faster heart rate. Pretty scary stuff. I’m going to urgent care tonight. I made the mistake of going to donate blood and when they asked me why I shouldn’t have said anything about TRT because they said I need a script from my doctors. Duh!

Hopefully urgent care can drain some blood tonight and I’ll feel better.

 

[fifty]

You can get a CBC for cheap $30 to see your hematocrit. From discountedlabs or lifeextension. Results take a few days.

As for donating blood...can't you try again? Tell them you're doing it for the free gatorade. I guess I'm lucky in TX they just want your blood and are happy to get it. I'm pretty sure they don't even care if you're on TRT but why bring it up either way? As long as your bp is under 180, your pulse under 100, and your hematocrit under 60, they don't care here.

 

[isufish24]

Yeah, ill go again tomorrow. I was putting my son to bed tonight so wasn’t able to go to urgent care. I already made an Appt with my GP. I’ll get BP checked and I’m hoping they will just drain a pint out of me and I’ll feel a hell of a lot better. Sucks to start TRT to feel better when I’ve only felt worse.

 

[fifty]

How old are your labs? I would be surprised if your hematocrit went from 43 to 53.

You’re probably worried for nothing. Lots of hormonal changes to deal with for you right now.

 

[isufish24]

Labs are from December

 

[Vince Carter]

Its way too soon to pass judgement on how you feel, two weeks is nothing, this is all rather moot to be speculating on this and that from preTRT labs.

200mg Test cyp once a week
The 3 days following Injection 1mg Arimidex
5 days after injection 500IU HCG back to back days in a row

This is a horrible, antiquated, protocol.

 

[Vince Carter]

@isufish24

How much do you suffer with anxiety/angst/worry...diagnosed or not.

 

[Systemlord]

It takes 6 weeks for levels to become stable when on the same dosage, so in reality you shouldn't feel good in week #2.

 

[isufish24]

None

 

[isufish24]

That’s an interesting thought. I’ve never had anyone tell me that.

I was admitted to ER today after going to GP where they did an EKG and didn’t like what they saw. Was in ER all day(currently waiting to get discharged) and after another EKG, bloodwork, CT Angio scan, stress test and chest x-day everything was good.

Not sure Where to go from here. Except lowering mu dose to 100mg a week my next shot to see if that helps. Still not having erections so doc wants to keep AI as he thinks the test must be aromatizing and turning to Estradial. I’ve also heard docs that Jay Campbell has interviewed say that high estrogen is not a concern and also helps libido, fat loss erectile function etc. lots of info hard to know what to believe.

 

[isufish24]

Thank you all for your replies. This has been very scary.

 

[isufish24]

Its way too soon to pass judgement on how you feel, two weeks is nothing, this is all rather moot to be speculating on this and that from preTRT labs.



This is a horrible, antiquated, protocol.

Vince-what do you feel is adequated? The test dose, prescribing an Al and HCG to begin with?